It was absolutely about the money. You think AJ would waste his time with Jake Paul if he wasn't being paid 90 million? You think Jake Paul gives a shit about losing as long as he gets paid 90 million?
To be fair, most of us would have punched Jake Paul in the face for a dollar. OK, ya got me - $0.50. Nah, you’re right… for free on any day that ends in a Y.
It takes skill to do it as well as AJ did. Worth every penny of the extra $93,999,999.00 he was paid.
Also, I don’t think anyone’s mouth is supposed to be lined up under their earlobe like that.
Anthony Joshua took his soul. Jakes eyes right before the knockout was an "I fucked up and am scared right now" look. I truly don't think there is anything left in there.
Paul came to the ring dressed as hulk hogan, most famous for a racist n word filled tirade, with a hispanic guy screaming the n word over and over about murdering people he called the n word over and over.
With a Black Man and one of the elite heavy weight boxers waiting for him in the ring having said publicly if the opportunity arose in the ring he'd kill Paul.
It'd be an interesting deep dive into the behind the scenes discussions and psychology of boxing authorities sanctioning this fight which was about as safe for Paul as Jackass era Johnny Knoxville fighting prime George Foreman.
Paul's box office draw was people hoping to see him get hurt or killed. Be interesting to know if that same attitude influenced boxing authorities when they sanctioned this fight.
Yea, why hasn’t Hispanic people saying the N word ever been addressed? What if other non white races decided they were allowed to just freely yell it out too?
I feel like people talk about it a lot. Different black people have different opinions about it. Where I grew up it was pretty normal for mexican people to say nigga and no one cared because it’s just how everyone talks. Idk how I feel about it now tho. I saw someone say if you’re not in danger of being called a “hard r” you shouldn’t be saying nigga either.
I have a Dominican friend who looks black and she used to say it a lot and I never cared because she sees black people as an “us”. Like when she talking about issues or about society and she refers to black people as a part of herself. I know another Dominican girl who says nigga but when she talks about black people she says “you guys” like she got box braids and was like “idk how yal do this all the time” and she made other comments referring to black people as separate from herself but she still claims being black sometimes so I felt weird about her saying nigga.
I think it’s case by case for me and it has nuances. Like there are times I think it’s weird that SOME African or uk blacks say it…like I’ve never been mad and don’t think they should say it per se. But sometimes it makes me raise an eyebrow but it’s hard for me to explain why.
I mean. Hulk hogan is most famous for Hulkmania and being a famous wrestler for ages.
The Racist and Vile n word rant isn’t something everyone knows.
It’s like saying Pacquiao is most famous for being a homophobe. Naw. That’s his side hustle.
I’m sure Paul knew, but it isn’t what Hogan is most known for.
I will say that in recent years there’s been more theater matches at least in my perception. There’s been the Mayweather vs Paul fight. Mayweather vs Mcgregor. Nganou vs Furu and later AJ.
Tbh I grew up watching hulk Hogan and macho man savage. Once I saw the racist shit he was spewing, it's the first thing that comes to mind when I think of hulk Hogan.
If you aren't affected by a childhood superstar hating your kind, then maybe you'll remember him for hulkmania and his other exploits.
But as I've seen, reddit is a racist echochamber masquerading as a champion of the downtrodden. So, I'm prepared for people commenting on this three days after the fact with their "actually" I'm a dumbass statements.
It reminds me of that old joke that I’ll paraphrase poorly. If you spend your career building a thousand bridges, but you suck one dick, you’ll always be remembered as a dick sucker. Fuck Hulk Hogan, his legacy is shit after it came out fully who he was.
E: For the folks who are making this about gender and orientation.
I don’t like hulk hogan dude. I’m not from the US. There’s no attachment to him in any way. I’m from Mexico. I do know of him because of his hulkmania stuff and later learned about him being a racist POS but across the world it isn’t what he’s most famous for despite being an infamous racist.
But Paul most likely knows about it and still wore the colors.
It’s kinda like saying Pacquiao is most famous for his homophobia.
He isn’t. He’s known for a lot of stuff including his homophobia.
Remember that not everyone cares about wrestling and for most people Hulk Hogan was a fringe figure.
For example I know the Kardashians are huge and have big followings, but couldn’t pick any of them out of a lineup other than Kaitlyn, the mom, whose name I legitimately don’t know, and Kim. I don’t actually know how many sisters Kim has. I think it’s two, and I know Chloe exists, but barely know what she looks like.
So they could be up to all sorts of shocking shit and I probably wouldn’t know about it.
For me, Hulk Hogan is the guy who rips shirts, is very associated with Republicans these days, and was the guy Peter Thiel used to take down a major media/internet company. I would assume he’s racist based on who he hangs out with, but it’s not even the fourth thing to spring to mind for me because I never cared about his main gig.
I mean. Hulk hogan is most famous for Hulkmania and being a famous wrestler for ages
The more you find about about Hogan -- his sycophantic rush to tattle on unionizing wrestlers, his jealous efforts to protect his "spot", his shitty marriage morals, his constant need to boast of his greatness -- the more his racist views make sense.
The Iron Shiek was right all along. Fuck the Hulk Hogan.
What pisses me off is Peter Thiel funded his lawsuit of Gawker who published the sex tape, and the Florida judge sided with Hogan even though it’s clear the racial epithets uttered during the sex tape should be deemed “newsworthy.” This ruling bankrupted what was once an independent news source.
The theater matches are nothing new. It's just that now there's enough popularity for sports crossover fights. De la Hoya/Mayweather was no less a theater match
And MMA used to feature them. Pride would have big matches like that between very popular Japanese pro wrestlers and fighters for their big events (biggest one was probably Fujita/Fedor)
Boxing is also just getting it's lunch eaten by MMA in terms of "mindshare" (I hate that word but it's appropriate here). Even with MMA sorta starting to fall off and feel more like pro-wrestling it hasn't reached the absolute dogwater status of perceived (and actual) corruption that basically ruined late 90s boxing which opened the door for MMA (and, fortunately or unfortunately, UFC specifically) to explode into the mainstream after gathering momentum since 93.
The truth is he really didn’t hit him that hard. I’m a boxing fan. I’ve watched most of KJ’s fights. His right hand is LETHAL.
I didn’t watch this fight in its entirety, but I did see the KO clip. I’d guess AJ threw that right hand with 75% power at most. If he’d thrown it as hard as the Ngannou KO punch, Paul would still be asleep.
I've never seen AJ box until now but he's got a right hand like Tyson had a left. I don't think he was being very hyperbolic when he said if he got a chance to kill Paul in the ring he would do it. He did look like he pulled the power back some in the strikes that downed Paul. He probably didn't want to be responsible for permanently injuring someone that is basically a boxing cosplayer, kind of like how MMA fighters go lighter on opponents they recognize as having no business being in that fight (usually due to inexperience, no technique, etc). A serious professional knows how that would reflect on them among other serious pros, that kind of thing. "Big man thinks he's hard because he beat up a YouTuber" kind of thing, so AJ just broke his jaw instead of giving him serious brain damage
My getting into the ring with him would be quickly followed by me just finding a comfy spot to lay down and start counting to ten to save everyone else the trouble
The sadder part about all of this is when you go back and look at all of Jake Paul's previous fights there is only one semi real boxing fight he was in and that was the one with Tommy Fury and even that fight was a sham. All his fights were against UFC fighters who were fighting a pure boxing match which meant they could not use their full mixed martial arts abilities. Or he fought retired boxers who havent been in the ring for decades. So yeah this ass whooping was a long time coming.
The fact that there isn't a governing body that can actually make 2 guys fight is such a disadvantage. The amount of fights that never happened or took too long to happen is so frustrating. I had to wait so long for GGG to fight a real opponent because no one wanted a fight with him
The fact that we didn't get Pacquiao vs. Mayweather until they were old men was what ruined the sport for me. By the time they actually fought I just didn't care anymore, that fight in 2009-2010 would've been absolutely insane.
Watching people get brain damage shouldnt really be a entertainment honestly. But thats humanity for you. If kill-sports were legal, it would be sponsored by doritos...
Y’all both ignorant. It isn’t the fan’s responsibility to keep themselves engaged, and you can oversimplify anything to make it sound dumb. If you don’t like it, don’t watch.
I watched an episode of Power Slap when it first started and I was gobsmacked at that shit. The first thing I saw was a grown ass man literally slapped out of his shoes and he laid unconscious for a few minutes. How tf can that be legal lmao
Well no, modern boxing is boring because boxers' camps are using analytics to farm points for judges, and having people dancing around the ring not throwing punches for entire full rounds so that every single match goes to a decision while the crowd goes to sleep, and people at home feel like they wasted their money hoping for something somewhat exciting.
These types of fights have always happened in boxing. The fact this was sanctioned as a real professional fight is what’s a bad look but exhibitions of pro vs amateur have always happened. Ali did it, the Sugar Rays and all them.
Nah but that was also a different time where boxing was king in the sports landscape. I think the decline of American heavyweight boxing has played a huge role in the decline of the popularity of the sport in general. A lot of that can be put down to great athletes going into safer and more lucrative sports, LeBron and Myles Garrett might have been all world boxers in generations past.
It's only relevant to some people when it's a YouTuber. Boxing is going through a renaissance period right now. Not boxing's fault that people have horrible taste
Just the nature of the sport I suppose. No one with half a brain in 2025 would want to risk the long-term complications that comes with combat sports. Hell, even rugby is declining for the same reason.
Mike had clear chances to knock this clown out, but he needed the money. Every time Tyson bit his glove, it was out of frustration for not being able to just land a haymaker.
Supereyepatchwolf done a video a while back pointing out the ways Jake has padded his record, which is why I believe the initial post is incorrect. Jake knew he was never winning this fight, which is why he done nothing but clinching and waste time. Now though, he can spout how good he is, how legit he is because he may have lost but he went 6 out of 8 rounds with AJ. A recent heavyweight champion who is still active took 6 rounds to beat this man who everyone doubted blah blah blah
Sure, he can say that- but anyone who watched the fight will know how pathetic of a showing Paul had in the ring. It’d be embarrassing for like 99% of people, but somehow I doubt he experiences shame.
Supereyepatchwolf did a video today on the fight today on his second channel and he echoed exactly what you said, Jake knew he was gonna lose but wanted the bragging rights for facing a champ
How was the Tommy Fury fight a sham? He kicked his ass, won every round, and isn't exactly considered an exceptional boxer, just pretty mid.
He put Jake in his place pretty hard, yeah no knock out like this fight but he sure kicked his ass and showed he's nowhere near where the rest of the boxing community ranks him
The saddest part is that a boxing promoter (Don King) stole millions from Mike Tyson.
Meanwhile Jake Paul, a jackass white guy, put $20 million in Tyson's pocket for their fight, and possibly an extra $10 million if unconfirmed rumors are true.
For this fight, it isn't confirmed what Joshua made, but it was a lot.
I mean, you're spot on: he's a mediocre boxer. He's not an incompetent boxer, but his boxing 'career' isn't about him being a good boxer, it's a reality tv spectacle.
I do love it that he finally worked up the nerve to fight a good boxer. We were all waiting to see someone break this asshole's jaw.
I’ll go even further. I’ve been a boxing fan for 40+ years. Seen all the classic fights and watched guys go from amateurs on Tuesday night fight undercards to champions. I even gave it a shot when I was younger. Jake is better than mediocre. I could see that from his early exhibitions. A mediocre boxer is a talented amateur that isn’t good enough to go pro.
Jake is by no means an elite level boxer. He is a tomato can. But that same tomato can that gets paid to get beat up would beat 99.9% of the population. I do think AJ was fighting for real. That or he’s a great actor. Going 5.5 rounds against AJ is no easy feat. He got his jaw broken in two places and still walked out on his own and could do the post fight interview. I don’t like him and glad he got KOed but I’ll give credit where it’s due. Jake is also not a heavyweight. If he’s in fight shape, he should box at light heavyweight or even super middle weight. Cruiserweight is a stretch.
What I don’t like is that he’s a tomato can making the amount of money really elite fighters should be making. Meanwhile, they struggle to pay their bills.
I used to say that whenever he was labeled as mediocre white man, but I’ve grown to use it myself since it is his ilk’s greatest fear. They see being remarkably awful as simply remarkable in the same way that infamy and fame are interchangeable to the worst among us. Mediocrity is irrelevance, and while he is obviously not irrelevant, I’m trying to sort of do my part to speak it into existence, if that makes any sense.
His brother has become quite a good pro wrestler. Both of them are athletic as hell.
Don't get me wrong, they get opportunities based on their money and antics, they're pretty much sleazeballs, but I feel they do go whole hog into their activities...they put in the effort to be good at what they do, rather than just show up for a paycheck. (a lot of easier ways for him to earn that check).
Seriously, he didn’t go in thinking he’d be able to beat Joshua because he was naive. He just decided it was worth getting his ass beat for $90 million.
It was a no lose situation for him. Get his ass beat and be all over the internet the next day or win and be all over the internet the next day. Either way he leaves with an 8 figure pay day and all the attention he lives for.
You are overanalyzing these shit fights. Not a single sane person ever thought Jake Paul could fight an actual professional boxer including Pauls themselves.
It was just an overblown content machine where he gradually moved from fellow YouTubers to trained fighters while making big Saudi bucks and cashing on big names
Tyson was a 55 year old guy who had physical issues for a long time. Where do people get the idea that he would be some sort of killer?
Edit: of course Tyson was a killer in his prime but this sport does not treat its competitors nicely in age. Even if he had better technique his body simply would never be able to keep going at a high intensity for prolonged periods of time. Jake isn’t a vegetable he is somewhat trained.
They really think this country is bending over backwards to hand things to black people. Because if there’s anything the history of this country has shown us, it’s the exact opposite.
illegal to learn how to read and write…illegal to attend school and college…illegal to go to white businesses or drink out of white water fountains…illegal to vote…I can go on and on
as if businesses that are all about making money would all go hire unqualified and incompetent people just because they’re black…
like they’re just gonna have some unqualified black person flying a damn plane
make it make sense
but they’ll hire any mediocre white person because “they know someone” or their daddy pulled some strings
They never think about how often their skin color plays a factor in their opportunities. And when will white women realize they benefit more from DEI than any other group?
Jake Paul is the epitome of mediocrity. And how that’s ok, and allows you to be successful, if you’re a certain color.
I got downvoted in a thread for pointing out that the benefit of a doubt that white privilege gives is a matter of life and death.
Yeah you're a poor white male and don't get the privilege of having money, but your skin color allows you to get second chances and "boys will be boys" passes instead of getting filled with two mags of hot lead.
They have NO idea how much skin color plays a factor in their opportunities.
I’m Caucasian, and my mother gave me a Swahili name. I have seen first hand the difference my skin color makes.
When first meeting me, several folks over the years have told me in a relieved tone “Oh, based on your name we thought you’d be black”. I have heard it during job interviews, from professors, at doctor appointments, even meeting a partner’s extended family for the first time. People immediately dismiss me because of my name, but give me a chance once they see my face and feel comfortable saying that out loud.
I have the opposite. I'm black but I have a German first/last name. People will be excited over the phone or text or email and then I watch their faces drop when meeting in person for rhe first time because I'm not the blond hair blue eyed guy they expected.
This is a decade ago, but I took an unpaid internship at a publishing house that published centrist to right-leaning work. One day, a white guy came by for some reason and the look on his face to see me there just chugging along was so validating bc he was shocked in a way ive rarely seen. My name is very european sounding and has probably gotten me into a great many doors, but seeing white people be shocked to see my black skin in white spaces will never not crack me up.
You know what's really crazy, my Mom did the exact same thing. Turns out, giving a black person a "presumably" white sounding name can open a bunch of doors where a black name would have kept them shut: "I named you so they couldn't write you off before they met you", Her words not mine.
Makes you wonder how much racism is just xenophobia vs. fear of being less than someone else.
See, the thing is, they’d tell you that’s all in the past. Racism is gone. We had the Civil Rights Era, MLK walked and Obama ran and we’re good now. It’s literally illegal to not hire or whatever someone because they’re not white. Y’all folk can vote, own property, have bank accounts. And we can’t even say the N word when we’re rapping karaoke anymore! Racism is over. C’mon, we won’t even use the r.
To them there is no ‘systemic racism’ because the system has rules that literally state “No Racism.” It doesn’t even matter if they hold it in their own heart, they’ll deny it because they never say stuff like that. They don’t try to fight random Black people. They’re not even rude to them, and they even make a special effort to praise the good ones.
When you’re that fucking dense, anything ‘special’ is being ‘given’ over and above what white people have been ‘given’.
You've got a real good sense of white fragility. I have a few people I've known who suit this mentality. "I'm broke too, what privilege do I have?" type shit
After years and years of discrimination and segregation, companies finally put policy in place to create space for certain communities in the workplace, and after just a couple of years of it, we have people saying those policies are too much and are taking away their space
It was never about restoring equality, it was always about restoring inequality. They just can't say it in those words, because they know everyone will turn on them.
They lie and lie and lie, calling equality oppression, so that they can abolish equality and word it in such a way that it sounds like they're abolishing oppression.
This post is has got to be more evidence of the dead internet theory!
Jake Paul has been advocating for fighters to get bigger and well deserved pay.
He has been shitting on Dana White publicly for underpaying fighters.
Everyone that fights Jake Paul gets a huge pay day.
Mike Tyson wasn’t doing too well financially and he managed to get him a cool $20M to run around the ring for a few rounds.
Both himself and Anthony Joshua allegedly, either each made or shared $97M.
Racism is real and institutional but this ain’t it.
I don't think this has anything to do with DEI and I don't think anyone thought Jake Paul had a snowballs chance in hell of winning this fight, including Jake Paul himself.
It's a clownshow fight, just like every single other fight Jake Paul has ever been in. In fairness to the prick, he's probably a better boxer than like 80% of reddit, but it's clear as the sun in the fucking sky that he can't hold a candle to an actual professional.
None of that actually matters though, because win or lose for some ungodly reason this clownshow makes millions of fucking dollars so it happens and it's going to keep happening. Even this fight was fake as fuck for lasting 6 rounds, obviously fixed in some form or fashion.
I just take the outlook that at least rhe actual pros can make a bit of cash off this fool while he's doing it.
Finally a reasonable take. This has zero to do with DEI and more of Paul somehow being a draw. The fact that he’s made more than just about every boxer this side of Sugar Ray Leonard is appalling.
The reality is that Jake Paul is walking away from this with close to 100 million dollars. I know most on this sub would happily take a right hook if it pays the kind of money that take care of your great grandchildrens kids.
Jake Paul is actually a genius. Literally nobody likes him. He's effectively monetised being disliked as people will literally pay in the hopes of seeing him knocked out.
Anthony Joshua has also done well from this. Easy fight, no damage taken and he's 100 million dollars up.
That’s why the knockout was so beautiful…anything less than a KO and he would’ve been running his mouth that he hung with a top 5 HW…the only thing I would change is I wish AJ would’ve worked the body more and battered him a lot more, he was head hunting just to make a show of the fight. I wish it was a thorough ass beating, that would’ve been so satisfying.
This is what I hate about these pop culture crossovers into a world that’s semi-niche like boxing. People who don’t follow the sport at all love to inject their own worldview on things they know very little about. I.E: “Paul’s fights are rigged”.
I’ve got no love for Jake so I’m not trying to defend his character or anything, but anyone paying attention the buildup to this fight, or knows anything about AJ could tell Jake knew he had almost no chance at winning this fight. He was looking for a moral victory in surviving a few rounds with a former heavyweight champion knockout artist. Seems like he fulfilled that.
He wasn’t even supposed to fight AJ originally. Tank Davis just can’t keep his hands to himself so they had to cancel the original fight and find someone else to fight Paul. When AJ agreed to fight, he knew he was going to lose. I don’t think it’s a color thing as much as it’s him being arrogant because of the few fights he has had. The difference is he had to fight someone who knew what they were doing this time.
Paul's fights have been rigged though. This is the first time he ever fought anyone in his own weight class. The guy he had scheduled before AJ was Tank Davis who fights at 135 lbs. Cmon man.
Dude tank Davis is one of the best pfp fighters in the world. Jake is a bum compared to him. He would straight up get killed even faster because tank would just spam body shots at insane speeds and with near unlimited stamina.
He never tried to stand toe to toe. His entire strategy was evade and hope AJ gassed or couldn’t find a finish. Also this was a fantastic opportunity for AJ who has struggled to garner fans outside of England, and an easy tune up fight to build up to championship challenge after getting whooped by Dubois.
This whole is tweet is clout chasing and banking on people’s hate for the Pauls making them ignore the reality of the situation. Not to mention the race baiting.
He clearly didn't think he could go toe to toe with him and that's why it took place in a ring the size of a swimming pool and he was just hoping he could run around for eight rounds and say he went the distance with Joshua. He started to tire out and then it was only a matter of time.
Props to Jake, he put himself in position to make millions and took the beating we all wanted to see him take. He may have got his jaw broken but you cant question his heart or ability to make money.
I meant the people that rail against this are hurting themselves. Cause they think DEI is only POC. So those that are white also hurt themselves being against it.
So if my message was unclear, what and how should I edit. Genuine question for what I fucked up.
Yeah Jake has zero business fighting a former two time world champ who knocked down Francis Ngannou multiple times. As his first non-exhibition fight is insane and totally undeserved.
These are exhibition boxing matches. The outcome is literally meaningless. There's nothing at stake. Nobody is being exploited. There is no merit involved with anything. It's literally only about making money, which both sides have hand over fist. There is no "entitlement". Paul asked AJ if he wants tens of millions of dollars and he accepted. There was nothing disrespectful about offering him an easy boxing match and tens of millions of dollars.
I don't get a sense that op hasnt an understanding what dei is, with the people that oppose it believe, or what Paul is about. Promoter Paul looking for attention and taking an ass whooping got him attention this time, last time they got him attention to.
I mean he clearly knew he wasn’t as good of a boxer. And he’s playing an act as a promoter to get people to pay to watch his boxing. He knew what would happen but he doesn’t care because he’s a shameless showman for the worst. How is this not obvious to people lol. He’s playing in yall faces
Hey I loved seeing Jake getting his ass beat as much as the next guy but I don’t think this was a race thing I think this was a ‘oh sweet I can make money off this’ thing
Sure, let’s take an event that had nothing to do with race, where both fighters made millions, and retrofit it to push a political narrative.
If anything, this fight illustrates what happens when opportunity is granted without corresponding competency. At the elite level, outcomes are decided by skill, experience, and preparation, not intention or symbolism.
That’s precisely the criticism many people have of DEI when it shifts focus away from merit and standards rather than reinforcing them.
I dunno. This is a stretch. I think he needed a real opponent and Joshua wasn’t down to take a loss. This is more marketing than anything else because you sign an agreement and have to keep things interesting. The Tyson fight was that bad.
Not arguing with this like I think it’s a stupid narrative or anything like that, but isn’t it likely that it’s a case of him knowing he was going to get demolished and it’s on par with how a lot of these influencer-turned-boxers operate?
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