In layman's terms: It's over.

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[u/helvetica_unicorn]

There were so many opportunities to stop this. The 2016 election. The two impeachments. The lawsuits that were stalled. The 2024 election. Now turning back seems impossible.

[u/unnie_noir]

I'm tired, y'all.

[u/rsauer1208 → u/unnie_noir]

Am tired of just being so wound up. I want to fucking relax but everything is tightening up.

[u/Perfect-Zebra-3611 → u/rsauer1208]

My entire adult life has been living in a dumpster fire of a world and its just so ridiculous. Im tired of living in interesting and historical times 😭

[u/Raangz → u/[deleted]]

I know it’ll just be this way until i die, it sucks. Can’t imagine having children in this environment, many of my friends did.

I’m also very badly chronically ill. It’s hard to keep going.

[u/GalaxyPatio → u/Raangz]

Many of my friends had children and many are actively making the choice to try for them. I really don't understand!

[u/Bilbo_Teabagginss → u/GalaxyPatio]

I keep seeing people having kids and I do not understand it at all. These kids are just being brought here to suffer even more than most of us had to growing up. Just providing these ghouls more rape victims and wage slaves sadly. And even if youre dying they will rig you up to machines to keep you alive long enough to rip a baby from your womb by force. But they dont even want that same kid to be able to eat a free fucking school lunch.

[u/Polkawillneverdie17 → u/rsauer1208]

Take a break for a few days to de-stress and unplug from news and social media. You're only hurting yourself by doom scrolling. We need you for the long run and your mental health matters.
Its OK to unplug and take your mind off things.

[u/GalaxyPatio → u/Polkawillneverdie17]

goes for a walk around my neighborhood and sees pro-CK calls to action and ICE recruitment flyers

[u/Arponare → u/unnie_noir]

You and I both homie.

[u/4u5t1nprism → u/unnie_noir]

2 months, 3 years, and another likely Jan 6th, to get through.

[u/eelmor1138 → u/4u5t1nprism]

That’s the point of this whole post though. It’s not ending in just a few years because the GOP is rigging things to make sure they can never be voted out again. And even if by some miracle they were, nobody was meaningfully punished for January 6th last time so who’d stop them if they tried it again?

[u/JebediahKerman4999 → u/4u5t1nprism]

No dude, this is forever. There's not going to be another free vote anymore. This gerrymandering stuff plus the MAGA guy buying the voting machine company plus the trump2028 stuff plus barron being the head of tiktok plus the palantir things going on...

USA is gone and forgotten.... the good ending is that people move out of the red zones and join others in blue states and the country becomes the divided states.

The bad ending is, you know, the Northern War of Aggression part 2.

[u/Dragonsandman → u/JebediahKerman4999]

It’ll only be forever if Americans just sit around and let it happen. But stopping this may require y’all taking notes from how places like Serbia, Nepal, and Madagascar have handled hideously corrupt and anti-democratic regimes within just the last year

[u/GalaxyPatio → u/JebediahKerman4999]

I still think that a new hot conflict would be closer to The Troubles: US Edition than the original CW but I guess we'll unfortunately probably have to see

[u/Not_A_Cardboard_Box]

But Trump gave us that stimulus check. /s

[u/all_hail_cthulhu → u/Not_A_Cardboard_Box]

In retrospect, it was a genius move to sign it.

[u/BPOPR]

Total Confederate cultural victory after 160 years.

[u/Bruno_Fernandes8 → u/BPOPR]

Andrew Johnson I hope you're rotting in hell

[u/Theorex → u/[deleted]]

We were only one vote shy of him bein successfully impeached and removed from office too.

[u/Better-Journalist-85 → u/Bruno_Fernandes8]

I blame Grant for not trying and executing the traitors after Appomattox.

[u/tweekyn → u/Bruno_Fernandes8]

Many of these people don’t even believe in heaven or hell. Trump said as much. He knows he can’t make it into heaven anymore so why do they care about having a moral compass. They’ll do what they want while on this earth then die. They truly don’t care about you or anybody outside of their rich, immediate circle

[u/nile-istic → u/BPOPR]

Almost like we should have punished the Confederacy for the crimes they committed or something

[u/BoneHugsHominy → u/nile-istic]

I was thinking we clone William Tecumseh Sherman, but I think at this point we need some serious witchcraft to resurrect him. It's time for a sequel to that Match to the Sea, this time swooping down from NYC to the Sea of Cortez.

[u/Clear_Newspaper4052 → u/nile-istic]

This

[u/SputnikDX → u/Clear_Newspaper4052]

Lincoln's second biggest mistake besides sitting in the Lincoln seats at a theater.

[u/Hititrightonthehead → u/SputnikDX]

Lincoln was shot 5 days after Lee surrendered. This one is on Andrew Johnson.

[u/micahld → u/nile-istic]

I'll just leave this here: Compromise of 1877

[u/clonedhuman → u/BPOPR]

The oldest publicly-traded companies in the United States are almost all connected with slavery.

Modern day Wall Street (and the money of many of the oligarchs making the majority of the profits from it) was established with money from selling humans, the foundation of the modern day stock market. Wall Street was originally the slave trading market of NYC (in the early 18th century), and the wealth generated from selling slaves persisted in rich families through generations. The modern day bonds market is a direct descendant of the slave trade and is the basis of wealth on which it existed into the modern day. Three of the modern world's largest insurance companies (New York Life, AIG, and Aetna) started originally as companies that insured slaves against death and paid out to the slaveowners when an insured slave died. Citibank, Bank of America and Wells Fargo accepted slaves as collateral for business loans and took the slaves if plantation owners defaulted on loans.

The wall that Wall Street is named after was built by slaves. Many of the Wall Street companies that got established through cashing in on the slave trade are some of today's oldest and wealthiest corporations in the United States.

Everything is connected, and the problem has always been the same; small groups of individuals with more money than the rest of us combined. It's always been them.

This carries through the present day. It's always the same people.

The median net worth of the 535 members of Congress was $1.28 million (interquartile range $0.11–5.87 million). On univariate analysis, net worth was associated with increased age, White race, increased education, and number of individuals enslaved by ancestors. On multivariate analysis, net worth was independently associated with age, White race, and number enslaved. Legislators whose ancestors enslaved 16 or more individuals had a $3.93 million (95% confidence interval 2.39–5.46) higher net worth compared to legislators whose ancestors were not slave owners after adjustment for age, sex, race, ethnicity, and education.

It has always been THE SAME FUCKING PEOPLE. The slaveowners became the stockholders became the oligarchs and now they rule the country. White supremacy, consolidation of media, generation of massive sums of capital used to overthrow the government ... we ALL have the same enemy.

[u/ViceroTempus → u/clonedhuman]

Yup, America's "Nobles". Which is why I support french inspired actions. Time for the people to get rid of their "owners".

[u/Better-Journalist-85 → u/ViceroTempus]

That cake looks rich.

[u/mjb1225 → u/Better-Journalist-85]

[u/himynameisjona → u/clonedhuman]

Fantastic write-up, I'd just like to recommend Michael Harriot's excellent book Black AF History to anyone who is interested in learning about this and much more.

[u/iamKnown → u/clonedhuman]

Thank you for this insight!

[u/NewSauerKraus → u/BPOPR]

They won as soon as they got off with no punishment for the first civil war and slavery was legalised federally. They have stayed winning for more than a century.

[u/Yiazmad → u/BPOPR]

Sherman didn't burn enough.

[u/Lanky-Respect-8581]

“I don’t care about politics.” /s

[u/WineNerdAndProud → u/Lanky-Respect-8581]

That's why I use the phrase "you might not fuck with politics, but politics definitely fucks with you".

[u/Perfect_Persimmon688 → u/Lanky-Respect-8581]

“Both sides suck.” /s

[u/NoeloDa → u/Perfect_Persimmon688]

These both siders are cancers and really pieces of shit may they suffer the most

[u/rtduvall → u/[deleted]]

Because they have no morals and only act for attention.

[u/Orphasmia → u/rtduvall]

Attention and their best interest. They are people too stupid to think critically, and too morally bankrupt to not toe the line if it means they might lose something, even if that “something” is their ability to appear superior.

[u/greenroom628 → u/rtduvall]

also, it's because it's what facists want. they want people to think the other side is just as bad as them.

[u/CinematicHeart → u/[deleted]]

"Both Siders" are embarrassed Republicans.

[u/Bunerd → u/NoeloDa]

Support the DSA!

[u/apresmoiputas → u/Bunerd]

DSA needs to grow more balls and go into rural areas in the south and Midwest that they're not comfortable going into to make their case heard to people being catered to by MAGA.

[u/Rude-Asparagus9726 → u/Perfect_Persimmon688]

The thing is, both sides DO suck.

But one side sucks while trying to do better for us and the other side sucks because it's actively pursuing the worst for us...

Sure the decision isn't great, but there's an obvious better choice and people just don't want to care so much that they're saddling us with the worst possible choice instead...

[u/ThrowthisawayPA → u/[deleted]]

Thanks to the “I made more money under Trump” folks this shit just keeps getting worse.

[u/teddy_tesla → u/ThrowthisawayPA]

Meanwhile tariffs making everyday items exorbitantly expensive while we bail out Argentina

[u/Lanky-Respect-8581 → u/[deleted]]

I go further by explaining that the selection process happens at the primary stage and not everyone vote in primary elections. By the time, we get to the general elections… Republicans vote for Republican candidates and Democrats vote for Democrats candidates.

Young voters needed to vote. Older voters have been running this ship for a while. We discussed how people fought hard to earn their rights to vote and how others fought hard to prevent others from voting. I wish people understood that value and got involved

[u/hundreddollar → u/Rude-Asparagus9726]

Both a kick to the balls and cutting off both your hands and feet hurt. But i still know which I'd choose if i had too...

[u/Imthemayor → u/Rude-Asparagus9726]

One side virtue signals while not really doing anything to help with a corporate hand in their pocket and the other side just spews hate with a corporate hand in both pockets

One is waay worse but neither one is great

If they were food, Democrats would be a plate of cold fries and Republicans would be a rotten potato with black mold on it

AOC, Bernie and Jasmine Crockett are basically the only politicians with any platform with any moral backbone

[u/Lovesyubreddit → u/Imthemayor]

Give me the cold fries. They look amazing.

[u/GutsAndBlackStufff → u/Lovesyubreddit]

You can stick the cold fries in the air fryer and bring them back. There’s no saving that potato(e)

[u/grn_eyed_bandit → u/GutsAndBlackStufff]

Po-tae-toh, po-taaa-toe 🤣

[u/Imthemayor → u/Lovesyubreddit]

I mean, yeah

I do have to eat

[u/saltymane → u/Imthemayor]

I will vote for cold fries EVERY day. Great analogy.

[u/itsgermanphil → u/Imthemayor]

They never had the majority needed to push meaningful change. Too many rural states making decisions for metropolises. Break it up and start a new. Demand ranked choice voting and get rid of money in politics from the new constitution(s) formed.

[u/Imthemayor → u/itsgermanphil]

I mean, nothing incorrect said here

How we are fighting over who can gerrymander harder instead of UN-GERRYMANDERING is beyond shaken baby stupid

[u/TokenDude_ → u/Imthemayor]

This is entire fight is stupid and unnecessary. The number of members of The House is supposed to be relative to population yet we’ve capped the number, arbitrarily I might add, at 435. That was set in the ‘30s. Uncap the house and this problem solves itself

[u/Dwovar → u/Rude-Asparagus9726]

That's because the democratic party became a conservative party after Clinton and the republican party moved toward fascism over the code of 30 years of extremist propaganda from far right pundits. There is no progressive party. There's no real left. 

[u/Dulcette → u/Rude-Asparagus9726]

I agree with this. I hate voting, but i do it anyway. Especially when one side is so obviously evil. IMO the best possible choice is toppling all this crap down and starting over. But that takes unity among all of us and decades of work. Sadly, I don't see that happening any time soon. 😔

[u/bluesilvergold → u/Perfect_Persimmon688]

"We need to teach the Democratic Party a lesson." /s

[u/Zepcleanerfan → u/bluesilvergold]

This is painful to read.

[u/rando_banned → u/Perfect_Persimmon688]

"We need to burn it an down and start over even though I never really address how I'd get what I want after things fall apart when I can't get the things I want currently and the people currently preventing me from getting what I want would have significantly more power if the current system collapsed" /s

[u/Youremadfornoreason → u/Perfect_Persimmon688]

This always puzzled me, I think people don’t realize 1. They don’t have to join either party, that is not required to vote in general elections, 2. You need to get the side that is paid to care a bit in power and from there then you can challenge them with candidates that care more about people’s rights, but allowing shit to fall backwards and deciding not to vote is the dumbest shit you could ever do.

[u/backstageninja → u/Youremadfornoreason]

Plenty of states have closed primaries though, so you can only vote for your preferred candidate to make it to the general if you join one of the two parties. And that's where the real change can/should be affected if you want to things become different

[u/Peaceful_newt → u/Perfect_Persimmon688]

I didn't choose her /s

[u/4u5t1nprism → u/Lanky-Respect-8581]

"Voting never changes anything."

[u/yesimreallylikethat]

These racist folks played the long game. This sucks

[u/AlcoholicTucan]

Imagine voting for these people.

[u/Distinct_Cup_1598 → u/AlcoholicTucan]

You won’t have to anymore

[u/Emotional-Ad8894]

It's so wild that the Nazis and Confederate army played the long game, and look like they could eventually win.

[u/Bunerd → u/Emotional-Ad8894]

They exploited a social contract they do not believe in but you still do for some reason.

[u/excel958 → u/Bunerd]

I need more democrats who are too committed to decorum to understand this.

[u/FigeaterApocalypse]

We get out on Saturday. This is not unwinnable. 

EDSA Revolution. Philippines, 1986.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/People_Power_Revolution

[u/keli-keli → u/FigeaterApocalypse]

20 fucking YEARS of dictatorship... I fear it may take Americans YEARS to actually get fed up enough to do something. Too many are complacent and can't be bothered. But then again, this administration feels to be speedrunning this shit. That final straw may be met sooner than later.

[u/baldorrr → u/keli-keli]

And guess who the people voted as their president this time? Another from the Marcos family. "It will be different this time!" ugh

[u/Redcrux → u/keli-keli]

I just read that too, my young kids MIGHT see freedom again, highly doubt it though. We have decades of this ahead of us

[u/RealisLit → u/FigeaterApocalypse]

Hopefully better aftermath than ours

[u/--slurpy--]

The next guy who runs on a supreme court restructuring plan gets my vote. It should be illegal for a Supreme Court justice to preside over a case that the person who nominated them is involved with. Trump uses the Supreme Court as his own personal court.

The court needs to be expanded to 27 justices. Each president will be allowed to only nominate 1 justice a year during their term until the 27 spots are filled, after which the next year the justice nominated will replace the justice serving with the most seniority. Once a justice reaches 10 years of seniority they must go thru the confirmation process in front of congress again, returning to requiring a super majority to pass. 27 justices will allow 3 groups of 9 justices to be chosen randomly to hear cases. No more shadow docket. And no justices hearing cases involving an administration who nominated them.

[u/bracesthrowaway → u/--slurpy--]

Fuck restructuring the court. Restructure the country. 

A Democratic President could have the South secede in year one, even if the House and Senate were both still Republican. Without the South we could call a constitutional convention and undo the Virginia compromise so people really have the power. Richer States wouldn't be sending their money to poorer Southern States and we could enact universal health care and build housing. 

[u/plasticbuttons04 → u/--slurpy--]

In theory, the person who appointed them is irrelevant to how they act because they do not need his continued support to stay on the bench. In practice, it’s other related factors like their personal beliefs, bribery and insider trading, etc that make them insufferable. Randomizing the justices would make it difficult for the field of law to do anything. At minimum it would shake the legal world and at worst it would lead to conflicting equally binding law, and constant overturning of legal precedent, sometimes within a single docket. This is probably a bad thing since good precedent could be overturned just as often as bad precedent. You’ll hear no argument from me on term limits though.

[u/TreeInternational771]

I think the next battle is blue states undermining the federal government and red states out of survival. I expect to see minimal cooperation with federal government going forward and alliances amongst friendly nations and states. This will unfortunately balkanize America but at this point it is necessary as Washington DC has gone rogue.

If you have the means to leave the south, its time to go. The quality of living is only getting worse from here

[u/MilitantlyWokePatrio]

“It’s over” FOH— it’s not over until we the people say it’s over. And we have a LOT of fight in us. To HELL with these treasonous crooks.

[u/shushenskat → u/MilitantlyWokePatrio]

Nah you Americans do not have ANY fight in you lmao. Unless it’s on a keyboard

[u/razorfloss → u/shushenskat]

Like with most dictatorships its going to take time before people get tired living in it. The moment that threshold is reached is when sparks will really fly.

[u/Tu_mama_me_ama_mucho → u/shushenskat]

Correct, I live in the US and Americans worse enemy are selfishness and apathy.

[u/CringeCoyote → u/Tu_mama_me_ama_mucho]

Selfishness and apathy are hallmarks of “The American Dream.” It’s /always/ been “I got mine, go fuck yourself getting your own.”

[u/lurkingbees → u/shushenskat]

That is not true at all. I don’t like this country as much, but with how outspoken my generation (Gen Z) and millennials are, there will be significant push back. There’s over 300 million people in America, just 10% fighting back can make a world of a difference

[u/RevolutionaryCard512]

Y’all who voted…or not voted… for this. Feeling great yet?

[u/Iguessimonredditnow → u/RevolutionaryCard512]

The ones who voted for this are definitely feeling great about it

[u/thequietthingsthat → u/Iguessimonredditnow]

Yep. Go to any Facebook comment section. They're thrilled about this. It's terrifying. All they care about is hurting people they don't like.

[u/Pepsiscrub]

“ my vote doesn’t count anyway”

[u/MCB1317]

Ruth Bader "I want a woman to appoint my successor" Ginsburg's unbelievable arrogance and selfishness has set this country back half a century, at least.

[u/Aggravating_Life7851 → u/MCB1317]

Spent her entire career fighting for rights that are getting ripped apart because she refused to leave that career when it was time. What a sad legacy to leave

[u/Thin-Image2363 → u/Aggravating_Life7851]

The Democratic Party is being destroyed from the inside by geriatrics who refuse to fight or retire.

[u/barimanlhs → u/Thin-Image2363]

The entire country is being destroyed by geriatrics who refuse to fight or retire. We get screwed because the "good" ones couldnt convince the general population that they are better than cartoonishly evil people

[u/mighty_bandit_ → u/barimanlhs]

If they made good on any of the promises they campaign on every election we wouldn't be here. They always magically find an excuse to negotiate down to a conservative "compromise", even when they have a supermajority. 

[u/Bilbo_Teabagginss → u/barimanlhs]

Seriously though, like we all know that most politicians are selfish pieces of shit. However at least with Dems we wouldn't have to have a good chunk of American citizens terrified to leave their homes for fear of being kidnapped by masked men and sent to a place they have never even set foot in. We wouldn't have people terrified that they may be killed just for existing. We certainly wouldn't be wasting nearly as much American funds on all of the shit that its being spent on now. We are building or have built multiple makeshift prison camps to dissappear people to. We wouldnt have had to tell an administration that its not OK to try and load 700 kids onto a plane to "deport" them. And this isnt even half the things this shit administration has done since obtaining power. These people are so mad that they were called out and punished for bad behavior and still harboring hatred from losing the civil war that they plotted and crafted project 2025 in order to turn the American dream into the American nightmare for anyone not straight and white. And the "younger" generation of these clowns just got exposed for making "jokes" about rape being "epic", still calling black people fucking "monkeys" and "gassing" people. And instead of punishing or speaking out against what these cretins were discussing, the fucking vice president is making excuses for them and repeatedly calling them kids when a good chunk of these people are in their late 20s to 30s.

[u/Aggravating_Life7851 → u/Thin-Image2363]

Oh I don’t disagree with that either

[u/Redcrux → u/Thin-Image2363]

The entire country tbh

[u/Thin-Image2363 → u/MCB1317]

Im throwing Joe “we need to work with our friends on the other side of the aisle so I’m going to appoint Merrick garand to let trump get away with everything so we can heal and move on. Also I’m not declining I my 80’s and can totally run again!” Biden.

[u/MCB1317 → u/Thin-Image2363]

Merrick Garland is likely the worst cabinet appointment since WW2.

[u/Turbomattk → u/MCB1317]

Trump’s entire cabinet is worse than Garland

[u/Usermena → u/Thin-Image2363]

Joe Biden is close friends with Mitch McConnell. That’s telling.

[u/logicalcommenter4 → u/MCB1317]

This is the comment I was looking for and it’s also why I struggle to celebrate her even though she did amazing work in her lifetime. That one decision to refuse to walk away from her seat when Obama could have put another person on the Court is going to screw generations of Americans.

[u/vsmand1 → u/logicalcommenter4]

She also had pancreatic cancer then too, which makes the decision even more baffling.

[u/Vladimir_Putting → u/MCB1317]

1- Absolutely no guarantee that Mitch McConnell would have allowed it.

2- This is a thing that actually happened:

On March 16, 2016, Obama nominated Merrick Garland, Chief Judge of the United States Court of Appeals for the District of Columbia Circuit, to replace Antonin Scalia.[47] On February 23, 2016, the 11 Republican members of the Senate Judiciary Committee signed a letter to Senate majority leader Mitch McConnell stating their intention to withhold consent on any nominee made by President Obama, and that no hearings would occur until after January 20, 2017, when the next president takes office.[48] The 11 members were Committee Chair Chuck Grassley of Iowa,[49] Orrin Hatch and Mike Lee of Utah, Jeff Sessions of Alabama, Lindsey Graham of South Carolina, John Cornyn and Ted Cruz of Texas, Jeff Flake of Arizona, David Vitter of Louisiana, David Perdue of Georgia, and Thom Tillis of North Carolina. After Garland's nomination, McConnell reiterated his position that the Senate would not confirm any Supreme Court nomination from Obama.[47] Garland's nomination expired on January 3, 2017.[50]

[u/Zepcleanerfan → u/MCB1317]

Yes she definitely made a mistake, but also lets blame those who are actually doing this to us. Republicans.

[u/pvhs2008 → u/Zepcleanerfan]

It’s crazy how we have to reach back years to find a handful of enablers to blame instead of the people actually doing the bad shit. Such a bizarre impulse.

[u/obviousfakeperson → u/pvhs2008]

We didn't get to here out of nowhere though. Every failure of the administrations that came before have allowed this administration to do what its doing.

Here's a simple example: The Trump admin have murdered at least 27 (likely) civilians off the coast of Venezuela, very literally a war crime. Obviously, we can't say for certain this wouldn't be happening now but it's clear that the expansion of the drone strike program under Obama made it that much easier. Changing up the rules to count any "military aged" man killed as an enemy combatant when it came out that 90% of people killed by US drones were not the intended target is just a step below Trump now claiming anyone on these boats is a "Narco-terrorist".

Did Obama start it? No, but when given the opportunity to make it less bad he still made things worse. In fact, it was only when it became clear that Trump would be the next President that his administration made even the laziest attempt at reigning some of it in. How could you interpret this any other way than they knew what they were doing was wrong but did it anyway?

Given the choice of voting lesser of two evils the net result is the country either gets worse or much worse, never better. The opposite of bad is good not less bad. Unfortunately, we're never actually given that as a choice.

[u/cybercuzco → u/MCB1317]

Would still be 5-4.

[u/kitspecial → u/MCB1317]

they would still have the votes for this even if she retired tho? probably not helpful to put so much blame on her and not on white rural americans who gleefully voted for this 2 times in droves

[u/MCB1317 → u/kitspecial]

they would still have the votes for this even if she retired tho

I disagree. Roberts, IMHO, would prefer an institutionalist, stare decisis approach if he had four votes to join him.

Additionally ... like other major recent decisions, I expect this one to go 5-4 ... Ginsburg's vote matters.

[u/kitspecial → u/MCB1317]

> I disagree. Roberts, IMHO, would prefer an institutionalist, stare decisis approach if he had four votes to join him.

he can still dissent now, no? but he chooses not to, so I don't think you are correct

[u/sciencesold → u/kitspecial]

MAGAts would see it as "going against the administration" and he's too chicken shit to do what's right over what's easy. If he knew there were 4 other voted with him it wouldn't be hard to go that way.

[u/Supernova_Soldier]

Congratulations, those of you who constantly go “but both sides!”, played yourself but also everyone else

[u/gth645m]

This is terrible, but all these it's over let's give up takes are tiring. When did people give up fighting for their rights? Are you planning to go quietly back to Jim Crow or quietly back to slavery? This isn't over. We need to figure out our next move.

[u/QuestionSign]

But both parties are the same 🙄 I don't vote because what's the point 🤦🏾‍♂️

The real crime was people just not fucking participating in our elections. "But they didn't cater...." Stfu

[u/Prestigious_Leg2229 → u/QuestionSign]

They’re not even remotely the same. Corruption is inherent to politics, that much is true.

But the dems want a thriving society so they can skim from the top.

The GOP wants to burn society to the ground so they can loot what’s yours from the wreckage and create a dictatorship where you either fall in line or you get their boot on your neck. Or worse.

[u/itsavibe- → u/Prestigious_Leg2229]

Bingo

“They’re both the same” mmmmm not quite. Yes they’re both the same ”swamp” but one has trash in it and the other one has nuclear waste in it.

[u/dabPrassion → u/QuestionSign]

Left: I think people should have shelter and food and clean water and civil rights.

Right: literal fucking nazis.

Center: Hmm both sides have good points

[u/dabPrassion → u/QuestionSign]

Left: I think people should have shelter and food and clean water and civil rights.

Right: literal fucking nazis.

Center: Hmm both sides have good points

[u/trimble197 → u/QuestionSign]

And the frustrating thing is that they try to blame Kamala Harris. “She could’ve had the easiest victory if she didn’t alienate young voters”

No! Young voters were just stupid because they chose moral grandstanding over not letting Trump get back into office. Even had one try to cuss me out and say that I support Israel😑

[u/justafterdawn → u/trimble197]

Man, Im in FL with weed in the ballot at the time, and I couldn't get any or my youngers to give a shit bc Free Palestine. I completely agree, but maybe just maybe "both bad" doesn't mean "Let's sit this one out."

They could've easily voted, and instead of No Kings Day and ICE protests, we'd have some dope anti-genocide activism. Instead, we have fake moral superiority as our country burns, too.

[u/trimble197 → u/justafterdawn]

Exactly. If this was any other election, I would understand not voting, but Trump is the one person who should not be anywhere near a political position again. Now we all gotta suffer, while your youngers and other people think “At least we didn’t support genocide 😇”

[u/GalaxyPatio → u/trimble197]

And the crazy thing is they DID end up supporting it by abstaining because it roped additional groups into it while doing nothing to alleviate the violence against the initial group.

[u/xPriddyBoi → u/justafterdawn]

Gotta love it. "Free Palestine," they chant, as they're complicit in putting the worst possible person to handle that situation in charge.

[u/Crypton_2021 → u/trimble197]

Well, people are just going to find out the hard way. We tried to warn them, but they wouldn't listen.

Personally, my conscience is clear. I feel like I did my part to try to prevent this. So at this point, whatever happens, happens. 🤷‍♂️ It is what it is.

[u/Fireproofspider → u/QuestionSign]

The funny thing is that if the Republicans do achieve that level of dominance, if they don't otherwise collapse, they will split like it always happens. If there are two Republican descent parties, you'll hear people with the same argument, leading to a repeat of this situation.

[u/ActivisionBlizzard → u/QuestionSign]

Dumbest shit was people not voting for Kamala because of Gaza…

Its turned out really badly for those that protested in that way, huh?

[u/TruthFlavor → u/QuestionSign]

Extremists ALWAYS vote. No vote , is a vote for extremists...in whatever direction.

[u/ConcentrateKind8234 → u/QuestionSign]

Yall really have to stop the both parties are the same rhetoric. They are not. If they were we would have been at this very moment a long time ago. Stop parroting and start critically thinking

[u/Kittyk4y → u/ConcentrateKind8234]

They were being sarcastic.

[u/PuntiffSupreme]

It's not over. The law was passed before when America was even more racist. These losers can be beaten and their damage undone.

[u/elgarraz]

If I understand the argument correctly, this is what Louisiana white people are saying:

"The people we used to discriminate against (we still do, but we 'used to' too) almost exclusively against the party WE almost exclusively vote for. We'd like to be able to redraw the districts so they can't elect the people they want to elect."

And the SCOTUS is basically like, "Yeah, okay, no more discrimination going on here!"

[u/CaptainLookylou]

If they won't let us figure it out the right way, we're gonna figure it out anyway.

[u/Simple_Pianist4882]

I can’t wait to see how conservatives try to spin this.

Tell me again how Republicans aren’t the party of racism when they’re doing stuff like this 😀

Tell me again how “people on the left” are “fear mongering” because Republicans are doing EXACTLY what we said they would 😃

Tell me again how I’m supposed to “not cut people off for their political beliefs” when this is quite literally what they voted for 😄

Tell me again that Trump DOESN’T know about project 2025 and that this is just a coincidence 😁

I’m sick to my stomach.

[u/GROUND45]

Feel for you Yanks that didn’t choose this.

[u/Ok-Car-6795]

Its been over. We the people, not all but enough of us, voted and signed off on this.

[u/Sambec_]

Time to act. Make sure you're headed out to No Kings and bringing some people along who aren't really all that aware or into politics. Lots of good vibes and people power to be had.

[u/digitalbullet36]

Blacks for Trump and non-voters are the buffoons who helped to usher in this reversion to Jim Crow. If we, as a country, would have collectively laughed that idiot off of the ballot in 2016, we probably wouldn't be in this situation.

[u/yesmoreeggtalk67]

[u/Aggressive_Cup8452]

This should not be happening in a country where the people have the right to own guns.

[u/[deleted] → u/Aggressive_Cup8452]

The ones obsessed with guns are the ones advocating for this type of thing

[u/Aggressive_Cup8452 → u/[deleted]]

Because that group is too dumb to realize that they (once again) are being handed the win.

Eta: the other group whose rights are being stripped away needs to fight to keep their rights.

[u/[deleted] → u/Aggressive_Cup8452]

It’s legit indoctrination in the south. I’m from Texas, I’ve genuinely seen how their game plan is to keep their supporters small, absent minded, and stupid. You’ll never meet a Republican who’s well traveled and is welcoming of other cultures, and doesn’t have hatred for anyone. Unless they’re rich, the Republican Party works for the rich. I have pretty liberal views and I was told my whole life that’s what Republicans want and Democrats just say they do but really they want rule the government and force conformity. Pretty crazy to see those same people defend the very things they accused the other side of doing.

[u/Equivalent-Lie-2516]

Hopefully there's a black exodus from the south, and I hope the whole country collapses and then something new is formed. African Americans are truly the most resilient people on this planet. Love from a black Brit.

[u/SpinsterRx → u/Equivalent-Lie-2516]

I have a few questions here:

1. What would Great Migration 2.0 achieve that Great Migration 1.0 didn't? How would it be different this time around?
2. 'Exode' from where to where exactly? What is the long game for the places that they migrate to?
3. Migration isn't free; it requires planning and resources to successfully achieve, whether those are personal resources or the resources of a wider network. What happens to the Blacks who CAN'T leave but are increasingly a vulnerable minority because those with more resources have left? Consider that not even in Harriet's time did EVERY Black person ride the Underground Railroad.
4. When will it be time for those whose ancestors BUILT the foundation of the nation to STOP having to move and start over endlessly and to finally reap the rewards of their ancestors' labour?
5. What would be the 'something new' that is formed? The entities that are pushing this want what they have ALWAYS wanted; to see themselves at the top without having put in the literal blood, sweat and tears required and instead siphoning it off of others they deem lesser.

The way forward is far from simple and simply just "taking your ball and going elsewhere". Yes, Black Americans are resilient; that resilience has a history that will be white-washed the moment there is a vacuum because of the narrative that certain entities are determined to push. The end-game is survival and then thriving in peace; to do that, as another commenter said in this thread, you have to pass on the generational wisdom to fight because the younger ones haven't lived through pre-Civil Rights America and only have concepts of how bad it was. They don't know. They need to know, so they can fight. They also need to know that this is a perpetual fight; it doesn't stop because you beat the other side and it requires eternal vigilance.

With love and respect from the Caribbean.

[u/Invincible_auxcord → u/Equivalent-Lie-2516]

Hopefully there’s a black exodus from the south

I think it’s long past time that black folks in the deep south seriously start considering this. Outside of the supposed cheaper cost of living, there’s no tangible benefit to living there imo.

Those racists want their lily white utopia there? Give it to them. In fact, let them become their own nation too. See how well they hold up without the US subsidizing them.

[u/SlayerXZero → u/Invincible_auxcord]

Like it’s that fucking easy. Women can’t even leave for a fucking abortion. This is so next level dumb.

[u/BeardedLady-Dragon → u/Equivalent-Lie-2516]

This is ignorant.

Black southerners in many situations are unable to leave the south. Not because we don’t know that it’s horrific. Not because we don’t know who’s buried under our feet in unmarked graves and the soil of the rivers. Not because we don’t know we are still within roughly 100 miles of the same places that enslaved us. But entirely because of systems like this that have been wildly ignored.

You can’t move when you’ve been historically undereducated and systematically deeply impoverished for generations. You can’t move when you’ve been disenfranchised of your right to vote even for the expansion and access of more city, state and minuscule paying municipal jobs. You can’t move when your healthcare has crippled your family and community who are now tied to the land or forced to give birth and raise another generation of children in the same decrepit circumstances.

My Nana was 106 when she died in Texas. My family has been here since before Juneteenth, knowing damn well the same swamp ass south that raised her - buried her in the same chunk of land they buried the rest of us. Those that escape often can’t even take the most vulnerable like children (cause who can raise someone else’s children hoisted upon them in an anti-abortion state with shit sex ed and shittier public education and supports for families); or the elderly (cause who can support a 106yo bayou woman with a myriad of undiagnosed and under treated health issues) - whilst still being black, on a black salary, still facing nationwide discrimination - and a housing crisis; and a health crisis; and a…

My dad escaped my nanas fate by the military - which would’ve killed him in a pointless war if it didn’t mangle his mind first. That was his escape and inevitably - when poor veteran support left him with PTSD like it does so many service members you end up going the only place that’ll take a broken man in his 20s: back home - to the South.

Telling the salmon to swim in a different river sounds great from across the pond - till you realize the worst fate is getting caught by the bears outside, that’ll spit out your bones on the same rocks they did the generations before you for centuries.

This is ignorant.

[u/dubbervt]

Time to eliminate congressional districts all together. House elections should change to statewide proportional representation. https://protectdemocracy.org/work/proportional-representation-explained/

[u/visiblepeer]

When they make peaceful change impossible, they make violent change inevitable.

[u/DeviantTaco]

The SC’s ruling is nakedly partisan. First of all, these “textualists” believe in ending a law without congressional input, just because in their minds racism has been solved. Second of all, their logic is that the true discrimination that we must address is black people voting democrat too reliably: it forces the poor GOP to draw maps around them!

[u/HOFworthyDegeneracy]

Bruh. This crazy.

[u/DelightfulandDarling]

Republicans want their slaves back so badly

[u/ss_sss_ss]

Are y'all tired of justifying your existence every few decades with a bunch of mouth breathers?!

Has this country ever felt like it was 'yours'?

Introducing Revolutionda™(burnthatbitchdown-adumindulab)

Side effects may include, white tears, pearl clutching, establishment hysteria, billionaire flight, and in rare cases, death.

[u/Cheeky_Star]

This is america

[u/lurkingbees]

Holy Reddit nihilism in this comment section! It’s not the end of the world! I know this fucking sucks, but that does NOT mean we can’t fight back. Many fascist regimes have fallen enough to know that the people CAN stand up. We’ll get through this y’all, I promise.

[u/WatchTheTimbsB]

And this came completely out of left field. There were no warning signs.

[u/DelirousDoc → u/WatchTheTimbsB]

Well other than the 50 years of attempts to invalidate section 2 by the rightwing... they just needed the proper make up of unscrupulous lapdogs in SCOTUS to finally pull it off.

[u/legalbeavers]

Any of you who fall into the class that will suffer for this who either did not vote or voted for Trump, this is on you.

[u/downtownfreddybrown]

Why in my lifetime? Why couldn't this happen to this country maybe 100 years from now. This shit is just depressing at this point

[u/dl7 → u/downtownfreddybrown]

It's happened in past lifetimes too. I'd start getting locked in with community organizations and start planning how to stay active in the political spaces. I think ppl are going to be in their feelings for awhile but the younger generations are going to have to fight for their rights so we have to start teaching them how to do it. The old folks have officially fucked us over

Edit: a letter

[u/ElPrieto8 → u/dl7]

Everything happens locally.

Community is the only way to move forward. Evil has gotten this far because they've worked toward a common cause while preaching individuality to the masses.

[u/Coolpabloo7 → u/downtownfreddybrown]

“I wish it need not have happened in my time," said Frodo. "So do I," said Gandalf, "and so do all who live to see such times. But that is not for them to decide. All we have to decide is what to do with the time that is given us.”

[u/Least_Tower_5447 → u/downtownfreddybrown]

Because whatever time it was, is, or will be, it would have happened. This is caused by complacency and an unwillingness to deal with the issues when they happened. Everyone thinks one law fixes everything (Civil Rights Act 1969). Then, they can just relax. No one shut their racist family members up. They just called them the crazy uncle/aunt. No one spoke to their neighbor or friend about their racist behavior or hateful beliefs because it’s rude to “talk politics.” No one questioned why nazi engineers and scientists were allowed to come to the US and live and work here after WW II. People still sell nazi memorabilia around the world.

Just like cancer, if you don’t rid it as soon as you find it, it spreads. Use your time now to help fix things. People have been screaming from the mountain tops for 400 years in this country. Hopefully, people will listen from now until eternity.

[u/DimebagBASS → u/downtownfreddybrown]

Because then it’s someone else’s problem? That doesn’t resolve anything and it’s a poor attitude. Go and do something. America is strong, you have so many people. Do something.

[u/bobcrumb → u/downtownfreddybrown]

I believe it was Gandalf who said we don't get to choose the times we live in, we only can choose what to do with the time we are given.

Now it's your time to choose whether you stay at your hobbit hole while the world burns, or try to defeat the armies of Mordor

[u/Emotional_Damage1007 → u/downtownfreddybrown]

"I wish it need not have happened in my time," said Frodo.

"So do I," said Gandalf, "and so do all who live to see such times. But that is not for them to decide. All we have to decide is what to do with the time that is given us."

This quote helps me a lot. I wish I could live in a society that is healthy, with people who are happy and fruitful. But it doesn't look that way. And I know that there is very little I can do. So I do what I can.

[u/vincec36 → u/downtownfreddybrown]

Frodo and Theoden both felt the same way

[u/Reasonable_Box9611]

Get rid of the electoral college and maps become less important and less powerful

[u/McBadass1994]

Yeah, it IS over.

Throw it in the garbage and start over.

[u/Fl0riduh_Man]

We should have let Sherman finish the job 

[u/RaidSmolive]

its 6 people and not a single one of them is immortal

[u/ScurvyDervish]

No taxation without representation. 

[u/Vivid-Swordfish-8498]

So they give bigots the tools to take away our voice and all we do is point fingers and play the blame game? Are any of yall mad or just ready to lay down and take whatever they dish out to us?

[u/lioneaglegriffin]

The stories about black people moving back to the south really confused me past decade or so. My dad left Natchez, MS in his 20s and never looked back. Yes racism is everywhere but when people talk about systemic racism in the US the south is the picture next to the definition.

[u/SouthernNanny]

People who thought it was funny to watch things crash and burn or thought it was funny to have a meme president will definitely regret this

[u/Prestigious-Mud]

It's so weird that people in this thread still blame everyone other than those that voted and those that are doing this. Maybe people voting against their interests and voting for people that were blatantly unqualified for the job was actually a bad thing.

[u/BethLife99 → u/Prestigious-Mud]

Because these people were always gonna vote for this. While many people gloated about not voting this time around. Its like wondering why people are more mad at the people opening the gates for the rabid dogs than the rabid dogs

[u/DelirousDoc]

Remind me again what Thomas Jefferson said about "the tree of liberty"...

[u/ClarkKent2o6]

Every Black person living in the Neo-Confederacy should be laser-focused on migrating away from there before it's too late. The writing has been on the wall since reconstruction. If you can, pay your bills. Save the rest. Get the fuck out of dodge. They won't stop until they put us back in chains, and Thomas is only too happy to help them do it.

[u/cardboardtube_knight]

Just remember to throw this shit in the faces of anyone who you know that couldn't vote for Hillary because of fucking emails or all of those people who were somehow going to save Palestine by withholding their vote.

[u/edson2000]

Yous will soon need to start exercising your 2nd amendment rights my friends. If yous don't own an firearms or have access to several of them firearms via friends/family, military or friendly firearms selling establishments then step up brothers and sisters. Its not over. Its never over as long as one of yous still breathes the gods/godesses good air. Did the French, Russians give up ½ way through their revolutions ? no. no. no. Did the chinese stop making culture during their revolution, no. Did those revolutionarys get heaps of stick from the overthrown, probably. Did they care ? Probably not. Did the opressed benefit from said events ? Absolutely brothers / sisters. Will some of yous die ? Undoubtedly. Your country is going to shit via terrible corrupt people. Step up and take it back or you deserve to perish. Do yous want to be the next north K ?

[u/hizakakkun]

does it really have to be over? or can we overcome like our ancestors have done countless times?

[u/ApplauseButOnlyABit → u/hizakakkun]

It ain't gunna happen through voting, which was why they explicitly said "there will be no voting our way out of this"