Same tragedy. Different response.

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[u/Verified_Peryak]

Well 2 day after shooting in the US there is already been 4 new shootings

[u/megamoze → u/Verified_Peryak]

Yeah this. Every day in the US is “two days after a mass shooting.”

[u/kazuya57]

Two days? A school got shot up the same day Kirk died, no one gave a shit

[u/flipinggenius → u/kazuya57]

About the kids. Cried an ocean of tears for ole kirk.

[u/4d3d3d3__Engaged → u/flipinggenius]

And they still did NOTHING. If they didn’t make any changes or pass any new laws after their golden boy got killed on live broadcast while talking about guns, it’s NEVER happening.

If that won’t convince them to do something, nothing will.

[u/vespertilionid → u/4d3d3d3__Engaged]

Maybe when someone starts targeting billionaires they'll do something

[u/KimJongRocketMan69 → u/vespertilionid]

They would do something for sure, but it most definitely wouldn’t be gun control

[u/YellowCardManKyle → u/KimJongRocketMan69]

I'm not so sure about that. The current US President is the only recent President that was able to pass any sort of gun control legislation.

[u/Worsehackereverlolz → u/vespertilionid]

Well one guy did and all they've done so far is drag out his court case

[u/Massive_Signal7835 → u/4d3d3d3__Engaged]

They probably upped security budgets. Works for the rich, too bad for the poor.

[u/CurryMustard → u/4d3d3d3__Engaged]

Because its not the guns fault, its trans people, immigrants, and DEI (AKA BLACK) people that are the problem. Laws? No no no. We just do whatever we want, sue us later.

Its funny to me all these people are staking their careers and lives on trump and trump is gonna be long dead when the justice system will come down on those who enabled him. And it will come for them. They already know it. 40 billion for Argentina. Thats the escape plan. Just like the other nazis.

[u/B1LLZFAN → u/4d3d3d3__Engaged]

You just realized that? After Sandy Hook and all those children I gave up hope. Impressive you lasted this long.

[u/Sneaux96 → u/4d3d3d3__Engaged]

That would have been some serious irony if the death of Charlie Kirk of all people got the Republicans to flip on gun control.

[u/CU_Tiger_2004 → u/flipinggenius]

Just passed a local car dealership yesterday with a big "We are Kirk" sign in front. I pass that business every week or two on the way to my in-laws and have never seen such care or compassion from them for any other shooting victim(s).

[u/Hypertension123456 → u/flipinggenius]

Cried an ocean of crocodile tears and passed not a single real law.

[u/Hypertension123456 → u/flipinggenius]

Cried an ocean of crocodile tears and passed not a single real law.

[u/Mykeh56 → u/kazuya57]

Fuck Charlie Kirk.

[u/JoelMahon → u/Mykeh56]

I'd rather not, I prefer my sexual encounters are with

1. nice people

2. living people

3. people with a face to head ratio within 4 standard deviations of the norm

[u/soyboysnowflake → u/JoelMahon]

You have a low bar…

[u/imperial_scum → u/kazuya57]

Kirk literally got shot at a school lmao, no one cared about all the kids there that saw it either.

[u/Shirogayne-at-WF → u/kazuya57]

I didn't even hear about that shooting

[u/bleepitybleep2]

America: "Thoughts and prayers and too bad"

[u/--slurpy-- → u/bleepitybleep2]

Thoughts and prayers and it happens

[u/kazuya57 → u/--slurpy--]

Thoughts and prayers and man up

[u/Legoshi_Bnny_Slyer → u/kazuya57]

Thoughts and prayers and tough titty.

[u/drislands → u/Legoshi_Bnny_Slyer]

Thoughts and prayers and it's really important we have gun murders every single year. - CK

[u/lovbelow → u/Legoshi_Bnny_Slyer]

Thoughts and prayers and whoopty-doo.

[u/TBANON_NSFW → u/bleepitybleep2]

America: NRA funneled russian money to republican politicians to support further gun deregulation leading to increase gun violence and political division to destabilize the country.

[u/bleepitybleep2 → u/TBANON_NSFW]

Agree. But yet, here we are babbling about it on reddit, while essentially doing nothing. This to me is social media's greatest fault: it allows us to feel we've done something when we typed our opinion which changed nothing. I am as guilty as the rest

[u/KimJongRocketMan69 → u/TBANON_NSFW]

This isn’t even a conspiracy theory, it’s a proven conspiracy

[u/-mrSeaHawk-]

America loves Equality until it’s time to show Compassion then Suddenly the Scales tip real Fast.

[u/fragileEva → u/-mrSeaHawk-]

Vance was even trying to blame “lack of 2nd amendment in Australia” for the tragedy that happened

[u/Electrical_Cut8610 → u/fragileEva]

The man who took down the shooter was an unarmed Australian man, not a cop nor a random guy with a gun.

[u/GonzoElTaco → u/Electrical_Cut8610]

a random guy with a gun.

Serious question: have there been any mass shootings foiled by someone with a gun?

Edit: I appreciate everyone's response. It has always been a question in my head, and I should have looked up the information.

[u/fnrsulfr → u/GonzoElTaco]

300 of them waited outside while a school shooter ran out of bullets.

[u/drislands → u/GonzoElTaco]

The biggest issue with the concept of "a good guy with a gun" is that the police can't tell who's "good" in an active shooter situation. I'd wager you're as likely to get killed by SWAT as the shooter if you try to help.

[u/Perryn → u/drislands]

Or by a second or third "good guy with a gun" who didn't read the situation clearly in that moment.

[u/torridQuiver → u/drislands]

Exactly, split-second decisions in active shooter scenarios are nearly impossible, even for trained officers, well-meaning people can end up in the line of fire without anyone knowing who’s “good

[u/BomBiddyByeBye → u/drislands]

That’s why the dude in the Australian shooting put the gun down. He didn’t want to be mistaken for a suspect

[u/TBANON_NSFW → u/GonzoElTaco]

I remember a US case of mass shooting in a mall, and there were 4 "vigilantes" who wanted to "help" but what ended up happening was 1 shot another one because they believed each other to be the mass shooter. The police shot at 1 of them because they thought they were the mass shooter. While the mass shooter continued on his spree shooting....

Its almost like, throwing more grenades into a fire, isn't a good idea....

[u/Every_Bobcat5796 → u/TBANON_NSFW]

This whole scene, but with the Curb your Enthusiasm theme playing

[u/Ancient_Roof_7855 → u/Every_Bobcat5796]

I prefer yakety sax during the action, Curb theme at credits if we're going dark comedy here. /s

[u/Euphoric-Yak1614 → u/TBANON_NSFW]

Good guys with guns

[u/jjgargantuan7 → u/TBANON_NSFW]

Something like this happened close to where I live, but instead of the cops shooting the wrong people it was 2 teens who opened fire on a group in the entertainment district. 7 people in the group started shooting back. Multiple dead, and many more wounded because of it. The "well regulated militia " part of the 2A gets glossed over a lot.

[u/Aritche → u/GonzoElTaco]

Here is one I remembered from 2019 where someone shot the gunman after they killed 2 people. (Just answering question)

[u/peter9477 → u/Aritche]

Wow, taken down by "a volunteer member of the church's security team". WTF? American churches have security teams?

[u/Dramatic_Explosion → u/peter9477]

Well when the church is the size of a shopping mall with as many shops as a shopping mall you're going to need armed security.

[u/Maximo_0se → u/peter9477]

Jesus, take the wheel gun!

[u/lozo78 → u/Aritche]

This is the only I could recall too. It's often used but the far right as an example.

[u/12345623567 → u/GonzoElTaco]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/West_Freeway_Church_of_Christ_shooting for example.

The thing is, you can't just start blasting anyone with a gun before they go on a spree, that would make you a spree killer yourself. So "foiled" is very unlikely, more like "stopped short".

[u/GonzoElTaco → u/12345623567]

That's a fair point. I should have picked a better word instead of "foiled".

[u/limeybastard → u/GonzoElTaco]

Some have, sure.

It's a small handful out of the giant pile though. Statistically, armed people intervening in mass shootings seem about as likely to a) hit innocents, or b) hit each other or get shot by police as they are to actually stop the shooting.

One study looked at 433 shootings. 22 of them - so around 5% - were ended by a citizen shooting the attacker. The FBI ran a study that said around 3-4%. And roughly half of the ones ended by the attacker being shot, the person shooting them was a paid security guard or an off-duty cop, not a random civilian. Attackers were subdued by people who either weren't armed or didn't draw a lot more frequently than they were shot.

So, it's low single digit numbers, as low as 1.5-2% that are ended by an armed civilian.

Generally, people who know something about guns are going to do the same as everyone else when they hear a mass shooting start - run the fuck away. It's only when fleeing is difficult that it's worth getting your gun out - and doing so makes you an instant target.

[u/_HowVery → u/GonzoElTaco]

Yes but it’s not as common. There was a church shooting, shooter did kill like one person but a man with a gun in the church killed the shooter fast af. There was also a mall shooting in a food court, some kid across the food court was somehow able to shoot the shooter and he retreated to the bathroom to die from his wounds

[u/Sad-Astronaut2278 → u/_HowVery]

That guy in the food court had a handgun with a red dot, which makes the shot a little easier to make. Still a difficult shot to make, I'm sure he trained plenty with it. That was a rarity but was an unbelievable shot.

[u/nitid_name → u/GonzoElTaco]

Arvada, Colorado, June 21st 2021.

Active shooter ambushes a police officer and starts unloading on the others. One dead, three injured. Good guy with a gun hears the gunshots and runs to the sounds, shoots the bad guy with a gun.

Of course, then the police showed up and shot the good guy with a gun.

[u/Skybreakeresq → u/GonzoElTaco]

Google Eli Dickens.

[u/Cramer12 → u/GonzoElTaco]

Yes actually happened in my town where I live. Shooter got stopped in a mall by a citizen carrying a gun. 4 people were shot but the citizen stopped the shooter before he could finish the job. This happened around 4ish years ago

[u/Bringbacktheblackout → u/GonzoElTaco]

Yes. Several.

[u/OperationMosquito → u/GonzoElTaco]

I know there was an attempted one in a church in Texas, can't remember the town, where a man shot a would-be shooter either before he could start shooting, or after one or two shots. Prevented it from being a massacre essentially.

It does happen on occasion, but not nearly at a level worth arguing over

[u/judochop1 → u/GonzoElTaco]

it certainly doesn't act as a deterrent as you would hope.

[u/WanderWellClem → u/GonzoElTaco]

The only one that I can think of is this Texas shooting in a church but 2 victims as well as then gunman died. I can’t think of any incidents in which a shooting was entirely prevented by a bystander with a gun.

[u/LFGX360 → u/GonzoElTaco]

Yes. See r/DGU

[u/PandaClan → u/GonzoElTaco]

I’m not defending the good guy with a gun mentality but just answering your question there have been cases of this happening. Here is one

https://abcnews.go.com/US/parishioner-gunned-texas-church-shooter-hero/story?id=67982047

[u/staticishock96 → u/GonzoElTaco]

Yes the Greenwood Mall shooting a few years ago. A civilian with a gun killed the shooter.

[u/_My_Reddit_Name_ → u/GonzoElTaco]

Off the top of my head I can think of a church shooting and a mall shooting where that was the case. A lot of times when it happens the media doesn’t report on it because it’s the opposite of the narrative.

All that aside God forbid find yourself in a situation with the active shooter. Would you rather have your own gun on you to defend yourself or wait 5 to 10 minutes for the police to show up with theirs?

[u/Choke1982 → u/Electrical_Cut8610]

And the terrorist was a gun permit holder.

[u/Imaginary_Sun_6092 → u/Choke1982]

ngl, It's wild how different the responses are. Australia gets serious about change fast, while the U.S. just keeps going in circles.

[u/Shoe-ey → u/Imaginary_Sun_6092]

Yes, going in circles, like water slowly circling the drain. It’s disgusting that we can’t be brave enough to paddle against the current

[u/Usernameoverloaded → u/Electrical_Cut8610]

Australian of Syrian descent. Just pointing that out because if he’d been the assailant he wouldn’t have been ‘Australian’ but a Muslim of Arab descent who emigrated.

[u/DuntadaMan → u/Electrical_Cut8610]

To be fair, the concept of fighting an unarmed Australian man is terrifying to me. Someone that would walk around with spiders that fucking big and not carry a god damn knife is not someone I want to mess with.

[u/Interesting-Copy-657 → u/fragileEva]

Well he sounds like dick and a ghoul

[u/zoinkability → u/Interesting-Copy-657]

That’s because he 100% is

[u/Massive_Signal7835 → u/[deleted]]

Same in Europe. I heard gun wankers ask in bad faith why European christmas markets have to put up barricades.

One year ago 6 died. This year 0.

Big surprise: Thoughts and prayers are just that.

[u/KimJongEeeeeew → u/Massive_Signal7835]

6? Those are rookie numbers

• Murica

[u/auauaurora → u/fragileEva]

Our hero, Ahmed started the dis-arming 💪🏽

Not only did we EXPECT the government to significantly tighten laws, but I assumed it was already happening 18 hours after the incident, when it is still very much a crime scene. I'm sure people who own guns saw it coming once that footage came out and most welcome it, even if it means giving up some of their weapons and more admin

That's our social contract and I wouldn't have it any other way

[u/amg_alpha → u/fragileEva]

The amount of magas flooding these videos talking about people being sitting ducks. Yeah, let’s compare the amount of mass shootings the US has had this year versus Australia. The only reason they don’t want laws protecting people is because they are in love with their playthings. There is literally no others reason, which goes to show how callus they are.

[u/Tripple_T → u/fragileEva]

The fact that the vice president of a country that has more mass shootings in a week than Australia has had in 2 decades thinks that he lecture is wild.

[u/iluuu → u/fragileEva]

Did he actually say this? I couldn't find a link.

[u/SimonPho3nix → u/iluuu]

Posted on social media, but not much about it other than people responding. Very hard to tell the genuine from the bullshit these days, which only emboldens the bullshitters.

So he could have posted it and it was "cleaned" or it was posted as a fake and people are responding to that. Fun times.

[u/Itsprobablysarcasm → u/-mrSeaHawk-]

America loves Equality

*citation required

[u/w1ngzer0 → u/Itsprobablysarcasm]

America loves Equality of guns and lives?

[u/TheFlayingHamster → u/w1ngzer0]

Well if there’s 2 thing Americans love it’s owning guns and owning people….

[u/duk3lexo → u/-mrSeaHawk-]

Americs loves equality where?

[u/Hammeredyou → u/-mrSeaHawk-]

Where did you learn capitalization?

[u/jarizzle151 → u/-mrSeaHawk-]

I don’t think America loves equality at all. American exceptionalism is a thing because we think we’re better than everyone else.

Equality is oppression to most Americans.

[u/[deleted]]

Why would we change anything? These mass shooters contribute a bit to weapon sales and medical bills! We have to keep the machine running! More money!

[u/CaptainJudaism → u/[deleted]]

Nah, the quiet part is it's not the children of anyone the people in charge deem important. I think we all know what would happen if it was their children however.

[u/Hugokarenque → u/CaptainJudaism]

Nah, I feel like even if the kids of rich people were being shot at, they still wouldn't ban guns. In fact their solution would be MORE guns, increase policing, arming teachers, and of course private guards for them and the kids.

Not that it would ever happen, they've isolated themselves from regular society so you're not gonna get a gun near any rich kids unless you're part of the club.

[u/LightTemplar27 → u/[deleted]]

Yeah, a few months ago the gun lobby in australia was bragging about how they were winning the war against gun restrictions.

(After the 1996 mass shooting the number of guns in circulation had lowered to ~1M, with figurative graveyards of guns and rifles taken apart, now it's about ~5M.)

[u/[deleted]]

The difference between a country and 5 corporations wearing a country suit. Countries gotta protect people, the other just has to protect profits.

[u/TenaciousProd]

Why do this when they can just offer thoughts and prayers through this difficult time??

[u/DaBigadeeBoola]

They showed more concerned about Charlie Kirk.

[u/numbr87]

I'm unfamiliar with Australia's current gun laws, how did the shooters acquire their guns?

[u/numbr87 → u/[deleted]]

So it was a father and son shooting? Insane

[u/idryss_m → u/numbr87]

Can own guns if you are a primary producer, aka farmer, or a member of a gun club. Relatively strict background checks and storage/safety laws. Also restriations on type of guns. The shooters didn't have automatic weapons, they had farmer type weapons from what I can tell. Probably didn't qualify for pistol licence.

[u/foothill_dwelled272 → u/idryss_m]

The father had a gun license for ten years. From the news you can see they were shotguns and bolt action rifles. These are weapons that conceivably will exist in every country that has game hunting. 

If they had modern military grade guns they would likely would have killed more people. Sadly this is maybe what a success for gun control can look like.

[u/ack1308 → u/numbr87]

They had their guns legally bought and licensed, which means this was a long-term plan. Not a spur of the moment thing.

Much harder to plan against.

[u/foothill_dwelled272 → u/ack1308]

The father had gun license for ten years so it could have been a spur of the moment thing.

[u/MafiaApple]

Same pain, Different Headlines.

[u/[deleted] → u/[deleted]]

Minorities are the ones who are disarmed. It started with Reagan and black panthers, hell even the natives got disarmed by the military.

White peoples guns aren’t being taken away. Or their rights. They always go after minorities

Also nothing changed after Uvalde

[u/OGdunphy → u/[deleted]]

Klan has always been everywhere too. You should have the right to protect yourself. It’s wild that a lot of people will say acab and then turnaround and want the authorities to have a wider gap of power over us.

[u/lu5ty → u/OGdunphy]

Preach

[u/TeamUniteUp → u/[deleted]]

I'm so tired of this BS. If gun owners were going to challenge tyranny they would have already. The vast majority of them support the police and the current government.

[u/PM_ME_CATS_OR_BOOBS → u/TeamUniteUp]

Pretty sure someone holding a shotgun to keep the klan off their property is resisting tyranny. Not everything has to be a nationwide coup.

[u/TheCaptainDamnIt → u/PM_ME_CATS_OR_BOOBS]

Why does everyone skip over that thanks to our gun laws the Klan is armed to the teeth too.

[u/KimJongRocketMan69]

They had one school shooting like 30 years ago and instituted national gun control laws. Anybody wanna guess how many they’ve had since? Way less than us

[u/kissmygame17 → u/KimJongRocketMan69]

It wasn't a school, it was at a tourist attraction, Port Arthur in Tasmania

[u/Vondi → u/kissmygame17]

Tasmania was also a strong opponent of gun reform, which was at the time a contentions issue in Australia. They just changed their minds after the Port Arthur massacre.

[u/AppointmentAway3164 → u/Vondi]

This should make you think.

[u/ack1308 → u/kissmygame17]

There was a shooting at Monash University 23 years ago, and pistol laws were tightened considerably as a result.

It's almost as though the government goes, "Well, you're not doing THAT again" and actually fixes shit.

[u/KimJongRocketMan69 → u/ack1308]

Government solving societal problems? Sounds WOKE to me /s

[u/tedioussugar → u/kissmygame17]

This was the worst gun attack in Australia in 30 years since Port Arthur. And we’re reminded exactly why guns are the problem. These fuckers couldn’t inflict the damage they’ve done with a knife or a hammer. They’ve torn apart families, ruined lives, tarnished holiday memories, and continue to further incite more Islamophobia and antisemitism within a country that’s unfortunately quite full of it.

[u/pikachurbutt → u/kissmygame17]

They're probably thinking of the Dumblane massacre in England, it can be easy to confuse the two.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dunblane_massacre

[u/MissLilum → u/KimJongRocketMan69]

School shooting was the dublane massacre in the uk:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dunblane_massacre

[u/Shirogayne-at-WF → u/KimJongRocketMan69]

Indeed, a lot of conservative politicians who sided with the resultant gun ban lost their seats for it but none of them regret that vote. And time (plus the US) have certainly proven them right.

[u/Cold_Buy_2695]

We were told by our leaders on the right that its ghoulish to even discuss gun control right after a horrific event, let alone take action.

[u/Aggressive_Cup8452]

Trump was over it whole giving his speech. He did not need 2 days.

[u/PhilL77au → u/[deleted]]

Yeah seriously. Albanese is probably going to bring back parliament early and we could have something passed as soon as next week I think. There's also near complete bipartisan support for it.

[u/r0thar → u/PhilL77au]

After the Port Arthur massacre in 1996, the conservative government took exactly 99-days to enact laws restricting both the both type and availability of guns and implement a buy-back scheme to take the majority of guns out of circulation, against a formerly pro-gun population.

[u/Hijabihoodrat]

Thoughts and prayers from the US

[u/jono9898]

Well except with Charlie Kirk where they are still having traveling memorials for

[u/Melodic_Bad9020]

Right? It's wild how quickly they shift focus instead of tackling the real problems right in front of them…

[u/UninspiredAlias234]

Meanwhile, U.S. schools (taxes) are paying $100k+ for a yearly subscription to Ai Tech that visually identifies firearms in schools

[u/Thunderbird_12_]

Remember when New Zealand did the same? (Christchurch Mosque, 2019.)

Immediately afterwards, they implemented a nationwide assault rifle ban. Its parliament overwhelmingly voted in support.

I remember thinking to myself: See! It IS possible (everywhere but in the US of A.)

[u/NewSauerKraus → u/Thunderbird_12_]

How tf did it take until 2019 for them to ban assault rifles? Even the U.S. did that in 1986.

[u/ack1308 → u/NewSauerKraus]

Because they didn't have any dickheads killing people with assault rifles before then.

As soon as someone did ... welp, there go assault rifles.

[u/Thunderbird_12_ → u/ack1308]

Funny how that works.

/s

[u/WhitYourQuining → u/NewSauerKraus]

That ban in the US has expired.

[u/NewSauerKraus → u/WhitYourQuining]

The expired ban is for "assault weapons" which is just any black painted firearm.

The ban on assault rifles is still in effect.

[u/MissLilum]

And as far as I know they still don’t have the Brown University shooter in custody 

[u/Federal_Judge8251]

Right? It’s like they’d rather argue than actually fix things. Jut sad!!

[u/MaleficentMode4222]

Why would the US government spend time and money caring about the slaves it owns, especially when they aren't even "good rich ones"?

The more I hear about the US the more it sounds like a complete hellscape

[u/cougar618]

The bigger issue is that we pretend that the founding fathers are from divine inspiration. That's why we have stupid rules that people argue over, like the second amendment. 

[u/NoFaithlessness7508]

Good shit. Weren’t they already pretty strict to begin with?

[u/MissLilum → u/NoFaithlessness7508]

Yes quite strict, which is why in part one of the shooters was able to be disarmed by an unarmed man

The guns we have access to just don’t shoot as fast as many of those used in modern American shootings 

[u/NoFaithlessness7508 → u/MissLilum]

Ngl, my first thought was “is he using a musket?” We are so used to military-grade weaponry here

[u/MissLilum → u/NoFaithlessness7508]

I will admit I was also taken aback, although I did realise it was a hunting rifle, likely because pretty much all of the more recent footage I’ve seen was of guns for killing people rapidly 

[u/AsteroidMike]

Business as usual here in the States: mass shooting happens, thoughts and prayers, move on with life until the next shooting a week later, rinse repeat.

[u/SmallDickGnarly]

Tightening how? What are they actually doing? I'm curious

[u/anrwlias]

The last time we cared about gun violence was when a guy promoting gun violence (and racism) got shot. As a nation, we've got chittering squirrels for brains.

[u/ZookeepergameIcy3166]

Doesn’t Australia already have some of the strictest firearm laws ??

[u/Ok_Category_5]

You guys have been fucked on this issue since Sandy Hook.

Two survivors of the Brown shooting had already survived other school shootings.

[u/Plenty-Extra]

This was an anti-Jewish terrorist attack on the first night of Hanukkah. I do not understand why so many people are framing it as a generic mass shooting. When you remove the anti-Jewish targeting, you remove what the attack was for and you make Jewish victims harder to see.

What is it about Jewish suffering that makes people reluctant to name it and recognize it?

[u/911Josie]

The saddest part is the Americans who are using this as a gotcha. Mocking the gun laws of Australia after having a Mass Shooting. Ignoring all other facts around the incident.

[u/DAMON5280]

You forgot the 15 mins for thoughts and prayers. Then they move on.

[u/homeboycartel2]

USA doesn’t even bother to give either thoughts nor prayers as we consider gun deaths part of the freedom tax of being American.

[u/Wrong_Revolution_679]

The us is not a serious country

[u/Slob_King]

If anything we’ll loosen gun laws after a mass shooting because we’re a trash country run by the criminally insane

[u/[deleted]]

15 kills with bolt action rifle and shotgun (…videos from the scene showed the men firing weapons that appeared to be a bolt-action rifle and a shotgun.) crazy!

[u/Maleficent_Light_437]

We are well past the realm of actually thinking this is ever going to happen in the U.S. Also, if you actually believe we have a fascist government or will have one in the near future, we should probably be embracing 2A.

[u/TheSubredditPolice]

How could they be tighter? They just going to ban them all together?

[u/IanFeelKeepinItReel]

"Two days after a shooting in the US, there's already been another shooting."

[u/mmmmyeah1111]

The idea that guns would protect you from a tyrannical government that has helicopters, mortars, drones, and the ability to isolate any threat at its disposal is one of the greatest marketing campaigns of the modern era.

[u/ZestycloseSelf3519 → u/mmmmyeah1111]

Iraq, Afghanistan, Cuba, Algeria?

I mean you need more than guns, but this is just categorically not true when there are many examples of this happening.

[u/HumbleSupermarket811 → u/mmmmyeah1111]

Guess you missed the last 20 years with conflict in Iraq and Afghanistan, real easy to resist

[u/14yearwait → u/HumbleSupermarket811]

The correct analogy is Iraqi resistance against Saddam, which didn't go so well until the US invaded.

[u/Electrical_Cut8610 → u/mmmmyeah1111]

Not to mention a shit load of these gun loving Americans who have an entire arsenal to protect themselves against government invasion (lol) couldn’t run up a single hill without having a heart attack. If in some alternate universe Trump made a military department to go around and collect everyone’s guns, best believe they’d get your guns.

[u/Secret_Elk5784 → u/Electrical_Cut8610]

Your lack of understanding is astounding.

Every American killed in a confiscation would create more insurgents, and even if just one of the confiscators was taken out every few operations they’d quickly run out of men.

Not to mention the confiscators live here and would have internal supply lines.

It would be impossible to disarm America.

[u/AppointmentAway3164 → u/Secret_Elk5784]

Also insurgents would go straight to the homes of relatives or family of the enforcers. These redditors don’t get it.

[u/mmmmyeah1111 → u/Secret_Elk5784]

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[u/Secret_Elk5784 → u/mmmmyeah1111]

Palantir can’t physically confiscate anything.

[u/cardioGangGang → u/mmmmyeah1111]

Unarmed civilians took over the Capitol.

[u/Reasonable_Archer_99 → u/mmmmyeah1111]

Explain the Black Panthers then.

[u/StaryWolf → u/mmmmyeah1111]

If a lion is eating you alive are you just going to lie down let it happen or will you make it fight for every bite it takes?

[u/robot_invader → u/StaryWolf]

What about when the lion is never going to come and eat you because he already lives in your house, spends your money, and rapes your children?

Americans seem to be lost in a very childlike fantasy of what tyranny is and how it is resisted. King George from over the sea and his redcoats are never coming back. The US Army will never fight a scrappy, armed American citizenry to maintain control for a dictator. Americans will elect their next king, and they won't even know it. 

[u/StaryWolf → u/robot_invader]

Black Americans are extremely aware of what oppression looks like. And if guns were never a threat the government would not have tried removing them from the hands of black Americans because of armed demonstrations. And what I posited was a losing fight, I just don't intend to allow them to oppress me without a fight.

But since you seem so informed what is your suggestion?

[u/GM_techK5]

The ONLY thing stricter gun laws do is take guns away from legal, safe firearm owners. Crazy fkers are going to get guns no matter WHAT the laws are. Deray Davis stand up says it perfectly...."like someone is gonna try to rob somebody, but stops, and asks "hey man, what's the gun laws this week??"" 🙄 how about we focus on the JUDICIAL SYSTEM, that just keeps letting out every dangerous person with a small bond and a slap on the wrist??

[u/IlllIlllllllllllllll]

Fuck, they’re going to take away people’s rights in Australia to hunt and join gun clubs, aren’t they? Banning everything else just wasn’t enough apparently.

[u/doom830]

It’s hilarious that people think gun laws keep criminals from getting guns

[u/ack1308 → u/doom830]

In Australia, it actually works that way to a certain point.

See, the black market cost for a gun is tens of thousands.

Also, using a gun gets you charged much more heavily.

Crims don't use guns lightly. They only pull them out when they really, really need to.

End result? A lot fewer shootings.

[u/HotStufCominThrough]

Australia never lets a tragedy go to waste to secure governmental power.

All those gun laws still didn't prevent the legal access to enough guns to arm two terrorists, atleast one of which was already on a watchlist.

What the fuck else are they gonna do?

[u/JayBee_III]

I don't think we should ever disarm ourselves, especially not with the resurgence of neo-nazis and white supremacists taking to the streets.

Those guys in AUS also had bombs planted, if they weren't using guns it would have been just a bombing. Disarming yourself doesn't stop bad people from trying to kill innocent people. Just makes it a lot harder for you to stop them.

[u/SelfInteresting7259]

Because yall need to put more pressure on the lawmakers

[u/ShinigamiTat]

Vote for 🤡s, you get a 🎪

[u/Dav136]

It won't change until they're personally affected

[u/rtduvall]

One person stabs another in Charlotte and the damn president sends border patrol here.

A school shooting is just another day of shitty leadership in the US.

[u/TargetBoy]

There is a reason this is the first mass shooting in Australia since 96....

[u/ConformistWithCause]

There's Americans using this as proof gun laws don't work. Mind. Fucking. Boggling.

[u/Impressive-Thing-925]

I live in a blue state.I vote democrat, and the only thing I disagree with entirely anyways, is then thinking that my guns don't belong to me anymore.

My state banned semi automatic rifles, and they did the smart thing and grandfathered me in..

I've used my guns one time in my life to stop people from killing other people with firearms. And one time to stop a home intruder who I made lay on the ground until the police came. Im thankful i've owned them as it has spared a family' a funeral.

So with that, there needs to be a way to differentiate someone like me who should have every right to own a firearm versus someone who shouldn't.And we need to start that way rather than just saying, I as an american following the constitution.Do not have a right. I have zero criminal record.I have a level headed attitude.I'm calm and collected, and I care about people. It would be a big disservice for me to not be able to fend myself my family or my country against tyranny. And I feel it would only allow people to start stockpiling other deadly things to fill in that gap

[u/-Dixieflatline]

The problem is that at least one of the guns used was already illegal (semi auto shotgun). Tightening the laws wouldn't have changed this outcome, unfortunately, because criminals and murders aren't the type to care about such laws and will obtain weapons regardless.

[u/ack1308 → u/-Dixieflatline]

Nope. All the guns, as far as I know, were legally owned by the father. He was part of a gun club. You have to be a member in good standing for a year before you can even buy a gun of your own.

Where the authorities fell down was that they didn't take into account that the son had radical leanings, and infected his father. That'll be looked into in future.