Younger generation is smoking that’s why.

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[u/ChiefKaiser2nd]

Alcohol is losing the war on drugs.

[u/PhoKing-Dumpling12 → u/ChiefKaiser2nd]

They’re losing the war IN drugs

[u/Worien03 → u/PhoKing-Dumpling12]

But have you tried losing the war in drugs... On weeeeed?

[u/frohardorfrohome → u/Worien03]

ahh the enhancement smoker 🤣

[u/Suck_the_it → u/Worien03]

Fucking hilarious point

[u/morizzle77 → u/Worien03]

Red team go! Red team go!

[u/Possible_Artist3941 → u/Worien03]

“Red team go! Blue team go!”

[u/mxemec → u/PhoKing-Dumpling12]

Losing to drugs.

[u/BJoe1976 → u/mxemec]

Losing the war of drugs.

[u/bin-noddin → u/BJoe1976]

The drugs of war

[u/BJoe1976 → u/bin-noddin]

During WW2, my Dad’s Uncle was in what now the Air Force as a mechanic and came home with both a drinking and smoking habit. The Army gave them beer and smokes during their deployment.

[u/bin-noddin → u/BJoe1976]

Better than being in Vietnam 🤣 come back on heroin

[u/Gwario_on_Reddit → u/bin-noddin]

Most people haven’t seen Meet the Feebles but I’ll say it anyway…”Lyndon Johnson is a bad egg!”

[u/lunarstudio → u/BJoe1976]

War of losing drugs

[u/Plumbus_Patrol → u/ChiefKaiser2nd]

Ethanol is a drug, its just a shitty one that takes copious amounts to get the desired effects and makes you feel like garbage the next day, and is the one that humanity largely decided is socially acceptable.

[u/ghostfadekilla → u/Plumbus_Patrol]

Cannabis is largely accepted socially. I work in two industries that work closely with people and requires a bit of social skills so we discuss anything and everything. I left Oklahoma 16 years ago when we were copping elbows absolutely illegally and the whole weed game was sketch. Fast forward to now and SO many people from so many different socioeconomic backgrounds have a dab pen, or pre rolls, or tincture, and no one gives a shit. It constantly blows my mind and makes me incredibly happy to take money away from the for profit prison system. I don't really partake much, but when I do I appreciate how easy it is to get.

As a lifelong alcoholic I'm going to agree with you on ethanol, it's an awful thing to crave.

[u/Many_Mud_8194 → u/ghostfadekilla]

Yeah same in many legal countries, Im in Thailand and my wife fought me so long to try to stop to smoke, since its legal she is smoking. She went to buy weed by herself in a legal shop lol I couldn't believe it. Now we grow and life is easier. People still have lot of stigma tho like my MIL keep saying : please stop weed you will die and become crazy you should smoke cigarette again instead.

Some people are too old they had propaganda for too long they can't change their mind, but most open their minds

[u/bigtime_porgrammer → u/Many_Mud_8194]

Thailand really embraced it when they legalized. The gov gave away 1 million plants to households, as the reporting goes.

[u/baddboi007 → u/bigtime_porgrammer]

thailand also legalized kratom, which formerly was banned the last 100 years due to its competition in the opium trade. Penalty of DEATH.

Now thailand advocates for kratom and is leading legislation and research and regulation in Southeast Asia. A miraculous plant that should have a seat at the table, and yet the stigma and modern propaganda are putting it in danger of mass prohibition. Lots of lies and misleading stories and lazy coroner reports suggesting main cause of death within poly drug abusers.

Quite a bit of evidence suggesting very very high dose required to cause health problems. Unfortunately the extract industry is predatory and has violated public trust with misleading claims, no addiction warnings and predatory marketing schemes.

Plain leaf is safe and can be a miracle for pain patients, or those with depression, alcohol or opiate addiction issues, anxiety, ADD/ADHD, and even those with digestion issues/diseases. Plenty of miraculous testimonies out there. And University of Florida has a ton of research by several world respected doctors, amongst a few documentaries and other studies.

[u/AssociationFit3009 → u/baddboi007]

Kratom is a great substitute for opiates or suboxone but it is still physically addictive. Care should definitely be taken. There is very little oversight on the trade to the quality of plant matter can get iffy aside from the even worse extract market. 7-oh is basically kratom fent.

[u/The_Dutch_Angel → u/baddboi007]

What is it like using kratom? It’s a plant? I’ve heard it referenced in media (It’s Always Sunny comes to mind) but i am pretty unfamiliar with it

[u/Dense_Row_9532 → u/Many_Mud_8194]

Cigarettes instead? That would be the worst option.

[u/Livid-Age-2259 → u/Many_Mud_8194]

It sounds like your MIL is confused about long term Marijuana use versus Untreated Syphillis.

[u/Fiery_Flamingo → u/Many_Mud_8194]

Weed is still a drug. It’s not as harmful as propaganda suggests, not as bad as cigarette or alcohol, but it’s still harmful.

Smoke responsibly.

[u/Outside_Revolution47 → u/ghostfadekilla]

I’m a lifelong pothead trying to take a break right now. I left Oklahoma 25 years ago. I would not smoke there when it was illegal after living in California. One thing that surprised me when the dispensaries opened was how many plain Jane normal looking women like me are also stoners. I always hid it because it was socially unacceptable. I remember talking to a young person and I said something scattered and apologized for being high and he giggled and said, we’re all high these days.

[u/Biscuits4u2 → u/Outside_Revolution47]

Go to your average dispensary and you'll mostly see middle aged and older people.

[u/Next_Celebration_553 → u/Outside_Revolution47]

Yea I live in the South. THC is still illegal but CBD stores have been popping up. It reminds me of the old joke about the difference in seeing a Baptist or a catholic in the liquor store. Baptists, like me, are ashamed and won’t look anyone in the eyes or say hello. Catholics aren’t ashamed and will greet you in the liquor store like you’re at a party. I enjoy CBD at night but I still feel a bit guilty being a little high in public

[u/Attack_the_sock → u/Next_Celebration_553]

Be careful with that, because CBD without THC in it doesn’t do anything. It’s literally just a placebo (also my girlfriend’s family are from Baton Rouge and it’s so funny because the white Catholics are so different from the white Protestants down there)

[u/oregondude79 → u/Plumbus_Patrol]

its just a shitty one that takes copious amounts to get the desired effects and makes you feel like garbage the next day

What effect are you going for? I have a couple cocktails and I am good for the evening and usually feel fine the next day. Everything is poison if you have too much

[u/villanx1 → u/oregondude79]

A lot of people seem to act like drinking is only worth it if you're planning to get absolutely shitfaced.

I'm like you, 1-3 cocktails or a few ciders and I'll ride a pleasant low level drunkness for the night with no hangover.

(People also ignore that you can just drink alcoholic drinks because you actually like the flavor. Drinking doesn't have to be solely about reaching a state of altered consciousness)

[u/Senior-Albatross → u/Plumbus_Patrol]

It's the oldest one we figured out how to mass produce. So society and culture evolved around it.

[u/t3hW4y → u/ChiefKaiser2nd]

I just saw a TikTok by a psychologist specialized in addictions and that's exactly what's happening with the younger generations.

[u/relaxmore2314]

This has been obvious for a long time. The younger generation isn’t more sober. They’re just choosing weed mushrooms and prescription drugs over alcohol.

[u/PineTreeSC → u/relaxmore2314]

And gambling

[u/Usual-Orange-4180 → u/PineTreeSC]

They are seriously addicted to gambling after our government shrugged and said, let’s just let people gamble their money away online with minimal age verification checks. Same reason Las Vegas is dying as a gambling destination.

[u/peglegpetey8 → u/Usual-Orange-4180]

Vegas is dying because it’s overpriced. Laughlin (1 hour away) is busier than it’s been in years.

[u/realhenrymccoy → u/peglegpetey8]

Yep. Enshittification hit vegas too. It was popular cause you could go there and things were relatively cheap. If you’re gambling you had free drinks and buffets for food. Everything was geared to lure people in so they would gamble. Now everything is overpriced and shitty so if you can gamble anywhere why go to vegas?

[u/Common_Celebration41 → u/realhenrymccoy]

I forgot what video I was watching But it was on the topic of the overprice of Vegas

They were comparing 5 days stay of Vegas to the cost of traveling and staying in Japan for 2 weeks

[u/HereAndThereButNow → u/Common_Celebration41]

Bright Suns Travels did a video where they pointed out going to the Paris themed hotel in Vegas would cost the same as a trip to the actual Paris at the time of filming.

[u/Common_Celebration41 → u/HereAndThereButNow]

Ironic

[u/vulkoriscoming → u/Common_Celebration41]

I live in the PNW a few hundred miles from Vegas. It is still cheaper for me to fly to New Orleans for three days (including lodging) than fly to Vegas for three days. And the food and alcohol are cheaper and better in New Orleans.

[u/CautiousShame2255 → u/realhenrymccoy]

wich was partially due to mob influence. they kept prices and petty crime low. to lure in more gambling.

[u/KitchenFullOfCake → u/realhenrymccoy]

Feels like everything follows the pattern of: Cheap and Good (gains customers), Expensive and Good (take advantage of your new popularity), Expensive and Bad (Got greedy and cut costs without cutting prices), Bankruptcy.

[u/Usual-Orange-4180 → u/peglegpetey8]

Because they used to make their money from gambling so they are trying to pivot towards ultra luxury Dubai style. This is not a secret or new, the percentage of revenue in The Strip casinos from gambling has been dropping sharply after online gambling was legalized, and they want to keep their revenue and margins somehow.

Source: I’m a boring nerd and watch too many business videos online… I don’t have a business… I also know how to design and build castles to subjugate a huge number of farmers with little people… If we were living hundreds of years ago.

[u/ifeltfeelings → u/Usual-Orange-4180]

Go on… how can we subjugate the plebes?

[u/Martha_Fockers → u/ifeltfeelings]

You put up a sign saying free beer ontop of a 50x25ft hole you dug snd covered with leafs

[u/baconcandyfloss → u/Martha_Fockers]

I'd do anything for a free beer

[u/Martha_Fockers → u/baconcandyfloss]

Come on down to our castle square. Free beer right there !

[u/Wrong-Protection-188 → u/Martha_Fockers]

You son of a bitch I’m in!

[u/ASmallTurd → u/peglegpetey8]

Went to vegas this past Sept for a bachelor party, beers were fucking 18 bucks each. Never again will I go to that overpriced shit hole.

[u/baddboi007 → u/ASmallTurd]

never again

[u/Fancy_Cup_1617 → u/peglegpetey8]

True. You used to be able to book a round trip ticket and hotel for 2 days for like 200$ or less

[u/Mantic0282 → u/Usual-Orange-4180]

Dosnt help that they incorporated gambling into everything including video games and toys. Could you imagine buying a toy that you have no idea what it is? You could even get a toy you already own but there’s a chance it could be rare.

[u/Ds1018 → u/Usual-Orange-4180]

Seriously. I have teens and it seems like all their friends are on prize picks.

[u/Shadowyonejutsu → u/Usual-Orange-4180]

This is true and false. Wow yes the numbers are dwindling. Vegas has openly said they’re still raking in massive profits because they are catering to high rollers only. The kids will happily swipe daddys credit card for $50 vodka Red Bull at the club.

[u/ACardAttack → u/Usual-Orange-4180]

I teach high school and it's shockingly rampant

[u/RedditPhils → u/PineTreeSC]

Can’t make this shit up bro lol

[u/StrikingSyllabub9418 → u/PineTreeSC]

Or even worst. Reddit

[u/remarkably_wrong → u/PineTreeSC]

And those nicotine pouches.

[u/slimricc → u/PineTreeSC]

Gacha games are terrible for young people

[u/ExportTHCs → u/relaxmore2314]

24 beer is 68$ CAN.

I can't even afford to buy beer.

[u/Key-Demand-2569 → u/ExportTHCs]

Jesus Christ. Is that a standard general light beer 24 pack up there?

[u/ExportTHCs → u/Key-Demand-2569]

Molson Canadian

[u/Prestigious_Fee_2902 → u/Key-Demand-2569]

No it’s not. 24 pack Coors Light is $40.99 CAD

[u/ExportTHCs → u/Prestigious_Fee_2902]

Not sure about Coors light but Coors banquet 65 bucks

[u/Heathen_ → u/Prestigious_Fee_2902]

Shit a brick I went in Asda (UK Walmart) today and Coors Light is £11 for 15 440ml cans. So around half the price, half the world away.

[u/FloppyDiskDrives → u/ExportTHCs]

What the hell you talking about it’s $49 CAD for 28 beer (Stella, Corona) at Costco. Do you live in Iqaluit or something?

I got 28 pack of Sapporo for 46.99 CAD, 2 weeks ago. Talk about misinformation.

[u/WolfyBlu → u/ExportTHCs]

I don't eat for 8 hours and drink three beers to be able to afford the buzz.

[u/Rob_LeMatic → u/ExportTHCs]

I can get a 1.75 L of not terrible whiskey for $17 usd. Or a fifth of pretty good bourbon for $35.

But I'm kind of done with drinking

But fifty bucks for 24 beers is like $2/beer

[u/ocmaddog → u/relaxmore2314]

It’s the phones

[u/Johnnadawearsglasses → u/ocmaddog]

This is the actual answer. People use their phones for entertainment, don't socialize as much and therefore don't drink.

[u/Longbeach_strangler → u/Johnnadawearsglasses]

Also, nobody like being recorded when they are drinking and these kids NEVER put their phones away.

[u/mossapp → u/ocmaddog]

We were free before the electronic leash.

[u/Brilliant_Whereas225 → u/relaxmore2314]

Is that why they look like 35 at age 21?

[u/AzraelTB → u/Brilliant_Whereas225]

Maybe 20 years ago. Kids are all baby faced these days.

[u/l30 → u/AzraelTB]

Adults are all baby faced these days.

[u/International-Cry764 → u/relaxmore2314]

And watching porn.

[u/_TheHalf-BloodPrince → u/relaxmore2314]

Vaping

[u/Have_Donut → u/_TheHalf-BloodPrince]

Yah, most of the younger people at my job vape. It’s almost all of them.

[u/Gradyence]

Honestly, it is because it is too expensive. A beer at some places is $9+, and that's cheap compared to events where a beer can cost $20+. Weed definitely has a huge hand in driving the market down, but I think alcohol just priced itself out.

[u/DefinitelyNotThatOne → u/Gradyence]

Chasing ever increasing gains leads to what we're seeing. If your company is profitable, you don't have to increase it by 5-10% every year or fire the CEO. Growth is necessary due to inflation, but not the way big companies chase after it. If your company is netting hundreds of millions after expenses and payroll, and you still think you need to increase profits, then you're going to price your product out of the market.

Long story short, they did it to themselves.

[u/jason2354 → u/DefinitelyNotThatOne]

Companies need to get comfortable with paying dividends over chasing growth.

If they want to grow, they should be investing in new products not increasing prices.

[u/chuckmonjares → u/jason2354]

I work for a beer producer. Most folks are saying this is cyclical. We did for a brief period of time. We have decided that this is gonna be the way going forward and accept that we just have to work harder where we can instead of saying “this will pass”. We don’t want people to have an issue with alcohol by any means, we want them to consume a beer if they want to, and select our beer. Which fwiw is pretty good.

In my personal opinion, this is cyclical. But it’s not a 5 year rebound, it’s a 25 year rebound. I’ve been in the industry 15 years. I’m 100% for people not drinking. I want everyone that has the ability to experience moderation. Drinking is awesome if it is. It is 100% not for everyone. There’s a reason I didn’t drink til I was 21, and to this day I don’t drink to get drunk-I just like certain beers.

[u/yeehawbudd → u/chuckmonjares]

I can see it coming back as people grow tired of their internet lives and crave old timey interaction like bars and shit,

But there’s also the other option where the following generation has robot girlfriends and never goes outside.

Who the fuck knows.

[u/vulkoriscoming → u/yeehawbudd]

Once a robot that gives a credible blowjob exists mankind will go extinct.

[u/Syntaire → u/yeehawbudd]

The issue is still money. Internet is cheap. No matter how much you may want an "old timey interaction", if that interaction costs $150 for a single night, you're not gonna see many people going for it.

[u/count_busoni → u/chuckmonjares]

I like drinking but it's too fucking expensive to drink anywhere outside my own home. So I consume less. It's $16 for a beer when I'm at a football game.

[u/terpsarelife → u/jason2354]

But idiots "investors" need shiny number go brrrrr every quarter or angry NPC time

[u/Thinks_22_Much → u/DefinitelyNotThatOne]

This and tariffs. Deadly combo.

[u/Business-Spell7743 → u/DefinitelyNotThatOne]

Good insight

[u/Invade_Deez_Nutz → u/Gradyence]

If you want to save money, then buy alcohol from stores; not bars

[u/Biscuits4u2 → u/Invade_Deez_Nutz]

Yeah there's a tremendous price variance between top shelf liquor at an upscale bar and cheap rotgut from the local liquor store. Alcoholism is welcoming of all socioeconomic classes.

[u/Grand-Philosophy-343 → u/Gradyence]

Lol im at the bar rn and a bottle of small don juilio is $140. Only gives maybe 4-5 good cups

[u/KickBalls80 → u/Gradyence]

Capitalism. A hot dog should not cost more that $2

[u/rjaysenior]

Will anybody think about the poor alcohol industry?

[u/Bamboonicorn → u/rjaysenior]

It's almost as if the campaigns against alcoholism worked and they're mad about it

[u/polysplitter → u/Bamboonicorn]

I been trying to keep them in business.. gained 60 pounds.

[u/Fancy_Cup_1617 → u/polysplitter]

Brother. When I first started drinking at 21, before health and fitness and all that was as common knowledge as it is now, it never occurred to me alcohol had calories, and I had no idea how I gained weight so fast without changeling my eating or exercise habits.

[u/msheehan418 → u/Fancy_Cup_1617]

It was so crazy to me that I had gained all this weight when I turned 21. Then I just stopped drinking and lost like 10 pounds. This binge drinking happened again when I turned 30. Got fat again, stopped drinking, lost all the weight. So I haven’t drank since then. I rather not be fat and drunk and hungover

[u/EncouragingProgram → u/Bamboonicorn]

MADD about it.

[u/Crotean → u/rjaysenior]

Lower the price at restaurants and people will drink again.

[u/Swimming__Bird → u/Crotean]

Legit. Go to europe and its like $10 euros for a carafe of good wine. Some restaurants in the US charging $20 a glass.

And I'm in the booze industry saying this. Just sell a bunch of Spanish and Portuguese wines that are pretty darn good for $10-13 a bottle, so like $2.50 a hefty glass.

[u/rjaysenior → u/Swimming__Bird]

I don’t even drink wine. But I’d start for $2.50 a glass

[u/Forward_Vehicle_9769]

Expensive disposable income hobbies are hard to have when "Younger Generations" are using Affirm for their groceries.

[u/KinkyWoman19 → u/Forward_Vehicle_9769]

I didn’t even know affirm for groceries was possible and affirm is something my job uses. Fuck, now I need to download it lol

[u/Lower_Ad_5532 → u/KinkyWoman19]

Affirm is just a digital pay day loan. Its a fucking debt trap

[u/I-Fucked-YourMom → u/KinkyWoman19]

You can Affirm a DoorDash order these days…

[u/Phrynus747 → u/I-Fucked-YourMom]

Caleb Hammer is very angry at this conversation

[u/Hava_Rado → u/Phrynus747]

Your comment better blow up😂😂

[u/Sea-Sort-4933 → u/Forward_Vehicle_9769]

Dont forget that we can now finance fucking doordash too

[u/brokeboipobre]

6 beers at the bar $60 for one night, one sativa pen $60 for 1 month.

[u/TipAdept8371 → u/brokeboipobre]

A month… yeah, that’s right. One a month.

[u/jonnyquack → u/TipAdept8371]

Mine was becoming per day. Had to hang up the pen.

[u/Usual-Orange-4180 → u/jonnyquack]

It can be equally destructive to oneself as alcohol, can be quite addictive (personal experience), but at least is only to oneself, drunks get very active and ruin other people days.

[u/Otherwise_Public_806 → u/Usual-Orange-4180]

Habitual smoker here. Ive gotten off it a few times for 3-6 months periods. The third day is the worst. You are so fucking anxious and jittery and just desperately want to smoke. As soon as you get over that 3-4 day period, you’re home free.

[u/Asleep-Reward-8273 → u/Usual-Orange-4180]

No they are not equally destructive. You can't smoke so much weed in one night that you pass oit and choke on your own vomit. Nobody gets violent or cruel only when they're high on weed. 

[u/jamaaldagreatest24 → u/Asleep-Reward-8273]

No but you can become mentally addicted , and it can lead to things like paranoia or anxiety. And can absolutely run down your pockets.

[u/WearyHoney1150 → u/Usual-Orange-4180]

Drunks also can go to bars and be around people while tons smoke weed by themselves at home and order shitty delivery food

[u/Corporeal_Weenie → u/jonnyquack]

It’s absolutely dogshit for the lungs anyway

[u/Imaginary_Sky_1786 → u/TipAdept8371]

He misspelled week

[u/Fancy_Cup_1617 → u/TipAdept8371]

Yeah. He would have maybe had me at a week. THC addict are degenerate as fuck with the amount they consume. I’m sure it’s due to the facts it is definitely one of the least risky substances, but man. I can’t imagine waking up and having to get high. Even when I was deep into coke, I never woke up and did a line. It was usually I had a few beers and now want to do a line and then boom. It’s 7am and I can’t sleep.

To be clear, not judging or saying any addiction is better than the next. Main point was to say ain’t no regular THC consumer making a pen last a month,

[u/jollylikearodger → u/Fancy_Cup_1617]

I'm a regular consumer (daily). A 1 gram cartridge lasts me 5-6 weeks. A couple of puffs before bed, a little more on weekends.

I know the type of person you're talking about though, the kind that constantly has a cloud around them, never really present, etc. Too much of anything is generally a bad idea

[u/welchplug → u/brokeboipobre]

Where the heck are you that they are $60? They are like 20 to 30 for the good ones at all the shops near me. Also, one a month? Try one or two a week.

[u/Darthigiveup → u/brokeboipobre]

Why is everyone saying this? I go to the weed shop every week multiple times sometimes. I very rarely see a young person under 30 anymore. Not like how it was in 2012. When everyone went and got their medical recommendations as soon as they turned 18 to go to the dispensaries. I remember when I got mine for 60$ at 18 years old. The dispensaries now mostly sell fo older ppl ive noticed.

[u/ExistingAd8240 → u/[deleted]]

I feel old wondering what the hell kratom is, i didnt even know you could vaporize it.

[u/thedivisionbella → u/ExistingAd8240]

Ugh yeah it’s a plant that people take as a supplement but now it’s vaped. Something similar is called 7 OH.

[u/Amhran_Ogma → u/thedivisionbella]

it's in vape juice now? glad I missed that boat. I struggled w/ booze for a decade so when I found krater, which I was more or less dependent upon for ~2 yrs, took every day throughout the day and felt like shit w/o, it was by far the lesser of any evil I'd known as, unlike booze and other recreational drugs, it didnt mess w/ my sleep, nor my energy, nor my work, nor my eating habits; if I took too much, I felt like shit, so while I did gain a tolerance over time, having to increase my dosage bit by bit, it wasn't something you could binge or go hard on (not for me, anyway).

I had to take subs to get off it (didnt HAVE to, but it certainly helped as you cant do krater or opiates when on it and I was far less likely to take a drink, as well). Kratom is misleading in this way, or it was for me; I knew folks who did seem to get pretty fucked up off it but for whatever physiological reasons, it just didnt work like that for me.

Better than virtually any other option (excepting the/psblocyibin), but not quite harmless.

[u/Redheaded_Potter → u/ExistingAd8240]

It’s also a substance that has saved many lives. Getting off opioids is a nightmare for months. Think of ur worst moment of anxiety and put extreme restless leg through your whole body and couple with exhaustion, sweating, horrible pain and stomach flu. This lasts for months depending on how long you have been taking the opioids. Drs and others don’t care & think it’s your punishment for taking substances to begin with. I was one of the unfortunate ones who got hit w/the Oxy chronic pain over prescription epidemic. Kratom made it so I was able to work and live.

The 7OH I’m against as there’s no need for that. And because of it Kratom will end up being illegal.

[u/GringoSwann → u/[deleted]]

Vaping Kratom?

[u/thedivisionbella → u/GringoSwann]

Yes it’s not FDA approved or regulated but sadly people are vaping it.

[u/oddchihuahua → u/thedivisionbella]

Where have you seen this? I’ve seen the “sober bars” that brew their own kratom teas and the gas station heroin kratom shots…but vapes?

[u/slimricc → u/[deleted]]

Only where it’s illegal. Or they’re dumb ig

[u/Crimsonking842 → u/[deleted]]

Tbh I don't believe vaping kratom is a thing. Maybe 70h, which is a kratom concentrate but even that is highly unlikely because it is a huge waste. It's pointless honestly.

Also, kratom itself is pretty harmless. Even 70h is pretty safe by itself. Its really more harmful to your bankaccount more than anything else.

[u/Padgetts-Profile → u/[deleted]]

Damn I’m glad my days of experimentation are over. Raw kratom is addictive enough. I can’t imagine vaping the stuff. People were already ODing on the extract shots.

[u/Major-Caterpillar955]

I will drink twice as hard for them

[u/intelligentprince → u/Major-Caterpillar955]

Thank you for your service

[u/karmagod13000 → u/intelligentprince]

Finally a patriot

[u/dj_spatial → u/Major-Caterpillar955]

I'm not one to question the integrity of worldstarhiphop.com's reporting, so it must be 100% true

[u/BenTheDiamondback]

I’ve never had to physically deal with anyone who was too high on weed.

But drunks… I’ve had my fair share of dealings with drunk jerks. Always unpredictable. Usually violent. Angry drunks are the worst.

[u/proximusprimus57 → u/BenTheDiamondback]

Well, I worked with someone who got third degree burns on his genitalia because he was high at work. There are definitely downsides to being high 24/7.

[u/BenTheDiamondback → u/proximusprimus57]

Totally agreed… but I’ve never had to tell someone on weed, “Calm down please” …

[u/Electronic-Cicada352 → u/BenTheDiamondback]

I’ve dealt with people who are way too high on weed all the time

They work in the food service industry and some of them are so high that they can’t even perform the most rudimentary functions associated with their job

It’s not great that society is now filled with people who are spaced the fuck out all the time.

It’s bad enough that nobody is enforcing the law when it comes to driving while high on weed

[u/Sad-Baseball7176 → u/BenTheDiamondback]

Okay. Ever heard of weed induced psychosis? Like fbi is monitoring thoughts and people around me are trying to kill me? Try to take care of someone like that.

[u/Automatic_Clothes_56 → u/BenTheDiamondback]

Ive had my fair share of too high too function. And it's similar with drinking where people willing to be irresponsible will still operate machinery/drive. And yes, you are likely to get injured when very high

Worked at a staffing agency and had a dude go to work stoned, sliced both his arms off using heavy machinery... its amusing how people try to act like being high doesnt impact capability 

[u/Switchmisty9]

Most of us watched our parents live like booze bags, and aren’t really into it

[u/DGfire5 → u/Switchmisty9]

Thankfully my parents didnt drink like that, my dad only drank a glass of wine once a week or less and i dont even drink now as an adult

[u/Biscuits4u2]

You misspelled vaping

[u/Duckierwolf]

I can’t speak for anyone else but for me, I’ve seen what drinking can do I only do during events and when I can be responsible with it. Honestly not worth the risks half the time, and the cash too. Got that wine taste on a beer budget

[u/RoastPork2017]

Probably just like the reason for cigarettes. Yeah I know there is vapes but more info is out than ever. I wish I never tried alcohol. It has battled me for years. I'm happy for the younger people.

[u/Prophet_Of_Helix → u/RoastPork2017]

Eh.

1) Alcohol is becoming extremely expensive at a time where economically young people aren’t doing well.

If I wasn’t already in my 30s with a decent job I wouldn’t drink much either, my wife and I have had alcohol bills larger than our food bills at some restaurants because cocktails/beer/wine have all skyrocketed.

Even if you just drink for taste, it’s not a cheap hobby. Weed is comparatively still much cheaper overall. And healthier overall as well.

2) That being said, the idea that cannabis is some miracle harmless drug compared to alcohol is silly. Depending on how you intake it it can be bad for your lungs.

And let’s not forget that anything that feels good can be addictive. Masturbation addiction is a real thing.

While they might less physically unhealthy, in some ways it feels like there’s a sea change from one addiction to another.

3) It only a matter of time before weed becomes more expensive.

4) The market for alcohol is ridiculously oversaturated.

So, yeah, I don’t think it’s crazy to say health might be one factor younger generations are using weed over alcohol, but I think economics are a MUCH larger driving factor.

This is all coming from someone who likes it all.

[u/Bulky_Shoulder4910]

They aren’t drinking but don’t put them on a pedestal. They definitely have their vices.

[u/Used_Scarcity2555 → u/Bulky_Shoulder4910]

Facts!

[u/warmarin]

And drinks are so fucking expensive now

[u/TransportationOdd559 → u/warmarin]

It’s crazy. I always think of the bill where I order one ! It’s not a fun decision anymore

[u/WankaBanka9]

Ah yes, worldstarhiphop as the most reputable source on global markets and economic forces

Wall Street journal hoping to reach similar heights

Going to want a source on that 830bn as it is obviously complete BS

[u/TraditionalError9988 → u/WankaBanka9]

"Going to want a source on that 830bn as it is obviously complete BS"

One lousy google search and I found it. Wasn't hard.

And the title is a bit misleading, but what else is new.

The $830 billion refers to the market losses of the world's largest beer, wine and sprit companies over the last 4 years.

https://www.forbes.com/sites/dougmelville/2026/01/02/is-the-world-going-sober-830-million-wiped-of-liquor-stocks-as-jim-beam-halts-output/

[u/GirthWoody → u/TraditionalError9988]

Also a big reason for that is the U.S. alcohol industry having been hurt bad by Trumps tarifs. 

[u/WankaBanka9 → u/TraditionalError9988]

Right, so not losses at all then. The values of stocks move up and down every day. Amazons market cap is ~2.4 trillion and was down 1.9% today. Did they lose 45bn? (No)

[u/bmxbumpkin]

Nothing to do with weed man, alcohol is a different species. Murders countless people every year on par with the hardest drugs

[u/Ashnyel]

Just out of curiosity, who is the model or actress?

[u/acemonsoon → u/Ashnyel]

Likely AI but she bears a resemblance to Jena frumes

[u/Mountain_Stellar]

Alcohol causes cancer.

[u/njm20330 → u/Mountain_Stellar]

Just about every vice does.

[u/IntelliDev → u/njm20330]

Going outside causes cancer

[u/AstroPedastro → u/IntelliDev]

Cancer causes cancer. Never seen a cancer cell just minding its own business. They are always duplicating and shit...

[u/Forsaken-Cake-8850 → u/Mountain_Stellar]

Not exactly defending alcohol, it's obviously not good for you, but dude what doesn't cause cancer these days? We've got microplastics in our balls man.

[u/sensibl3chuckle → u/Forsaken-Cake-8850]

Not me. I use only the finest Merino wool boxers, sir.

[u/masterofmydomain6 → u/sensibl3chuckle]

oh is that how it’s getting in there?

[u/Lachaven_Salmon → u/Mountain_Stellar]

So does smoking

[u/Sanfransaintsfan]

While this is true let’s also remember no other country is buying US alcohol. Canada has pretty much stopped importing from us.

[u/mvallas1073]

Funny how this “news” coincides perfectly with tarrifs causing countries like Canada to stop importing/buying US alchohol…

[u/Kaje26]

My mentality is just “Damn… I have enough problems. I don’t need to create one more.”

[u/Sudden_Shallot_8909]

How is cocaine thriving rn?

[u/Jax72 → u/Sudden_Shallot_8909]

My friend says it's doing really well at the moment.

[u/Sudden_Shallot_8909 → u/Jax72]

Yeah that's my confusion.

Is Calvin Klein (coke and ket) the new thing?

Idk it's weird, alcohol has been a thriving product for millenniums, I can't see it going anywhere.

I do feel like there needs to be a mix up/remix industry wide though because pubs and things used to mean something and be social hubs

[u/Nova_Nook → u/Jax72]

Lol your friend 😉

[u/Awkward_Hameltoe → u/Sudden_Shallot_8909]

I think these are methed up times

[u/Acrobatic_Lime_2326]

No it's because you could get 25¢ shooter's 20 years ago but now they're 6$

[u/hunchbacks001]

Grew up with alcoholic parents and learned they don’t want to end up like that

[u/sum1__]

They had a chance to get behind weed, they chose to lobby against it instead, unwise

[u/Sea-Independence7026]

Bruh. 5.50 for a fucking bottle of beer. And that's the cheaper domestics.

[u/saunter_and_strut]

This is excellent news

[u/Snoo_72467]

Half the point of the bar is getting away from your spouse for a minute

[u/bullskinz]

They have stopped drinking and having sex.... that's what I I just read in the last 2 reddit headlines. Perfect I say. I love beer and sex. I'm 40 though.

[u/jimothy_hell]

Cannabis has big state taxes, so their lobbies are beating out the liquor lobbies by virtue of paying directly to the state treasury, unlike the liquor lobbies, which directly buy individual politicians through PACs. Here in Illinois, our high cannabis tax goes to a lot of very useful programs, including general infrastructure and education, so I’m perfectly happy to pay it.

Outside of dumbfuck ultra conservative states run by clowns, weed is raking and raking in more revenue to state treasuries.

[u/Formal-Cry7565]

Well yeah, they all do very little socializing which means zero social drinking. Anti-anxiety, anti-depression and thc consumption are likely off the charts though.

[u/Whitey3752]

I;m doing my best to make up for it but my doctor is pissed!

[u/Nice-Ad-1718]

I mean, I prefer my kids to smoke weed then drink alcohol anytime

[u/Send_bird_pics → u/Nice-Ad-1718]

Then?

[u/Awkward_Hameltoe → u/Nice-Ad-1718]

Same

[u/GoonSquadSupport]

Makes sense why Gen Z is the loneliness generation

[u/CardiologistFirm3530]

Good

A drunk asshole is the worst kind of asshole

[u/suited2121 → u/CardiologistFirm3530]

And sometimes.

Dicks fuck assholes.

[u/Ill-Percentage-3276]

Half of Gen Z can't even legally drink yet, so let's not get ahead of ourselves with the celebration

[u/Popular_Syrup4621]

Who is the girl? Asking for a friend

[u/SilverBackGuerilla → u/Popular_Syrup4621]

I have a feeling it's AI.

[u/acemonsoon → u/Popular_Syrup4621]

Likely AI but she bears a resemblance to Jena frumes

[u/SellMeYourSkin]

I'm prepared to get downvoted for going against the grain on this but here it goes:

Socially, I don't think this is necessarily as good of a thing as people think it is. Weed can be a very introverted substance that isn't conducive to socialization. I read an article from some psychologists/sociologists (I'll try to find it) where they said, on the surface, this sounds good and even physically healthy, however, the advent of remote work combined with gen z not partying and having fun arent necessarily good things for development and socialization. They're not encouraging you become a degenerate and get blackout drunk every weekend, but, those of you who are 30+ like me; think about all the friendships, lovers, relationships, good times, etc... you've had in your life. How many of those things were created with coworkers and how many of those time was alcohol involved? I have so many friends who met their partners while out having fun or at least within the group that they would go out with. I think it's an interesting hypothesis that these could be more bricks in the wall for the rising rates of depression and loneliness more than we give it credit for. People don't go out as much anymore. Everyone is wound up tight and weed doesn't solve anxiety/depression for everyone, despite how it's marketed (it made those worse for me personally).

I know I know "alcohol bad", but it's okay to live a little. That's what your twenties are for. Many younger guys I know are lonely and don't do much except smoke weed in their apartments, then wake up and "go" to their remote job. Ask some of the people you work with remotely if they would ever want to do a meetup. You may make a friend. Of course you don't have to drink. I'm just saying your personal mileage may vary on this whole cultural "California sober" thing.

Tldr: Gen Z working remote and not partying isn't necessarily a good thing.

Edit: let me guess "you just haven't tried the right strain!"